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MrE2Me2 One ring to rule them

Joined: 01 Jul 2006 Posts: 1099
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:50 am Post subject: |
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Hello Grasshopper,
You posted, “…Even if a BB student had better skill than a BB student…”.
Did you mean, Even if a BB student had better skill than a BB teacher???
You posted, “If we do this list, I think it should be Black Belts or higher only (which it is) and teachers of the Art only, not students.”
It is also my opinion that a hierarchy system should include only the teachers.
However, the black belt list should include all black belts, teacher or not.
In other words, there should be two lists.
That would be one of teachers in hierarchy and then another of black belts in alphabetical order.
A couple of things would be accomplished this way.
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Those who obtain a black belt in Moh would be given acknowledgement.
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Teachers of Moh would also be acknowledged.
You posted, “So with that in mind some names on this list will need to be removed.”
With this alternative in mind, we wouldn’t have do undo anything.
You posted, “It is because of these issues that I think we originally avoided doing this sort of thing..”
L.O.L.! I believe you warned me when I started this thread.
You posted, “We should also indicate those individuals who attained the degree of Master...”
That would be cool but it presupposes that we have a specific definition for “Master”.
Regards, MrE2Me2
Without prejudice
E&OE _________________ We’re naught but humble pirates.
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47MartialMan black belt test

Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 74
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:20 am Post subject: |
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Interesting as the standards for Master, Teacher, or black Belt will constantly get challenged
The chart should include everyone asscoiated (even though their maybe a separate one for teachers and BBers)
However, master could only be related to those by senioirity? Longest practitoners? |
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North rogue warrior

Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 215
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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I honestly think that we don't have the means to make a complete list. There were so many studios across the US and Canada that to know who all the teachers were would be staggering to try and figure out.
Also some teachers were yellow belts who only lasted 3 months and never learned the "Moh knowledge sheets" completely.
Some of the names on the current list are 1st degree brown belts by TKF ranking. _________________ Don't claim to be what you once were or might have been. Only claim to be what you are now. |
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grasshopper intervention

Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 305 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I've cast the first stone, now we shall see how far the ripples travel...
 _________________ This is my happening and it freaks me out!
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47MartialMan black belt test

Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 74
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| North wrote: | Also some teachers were yellow belts who only lasted 3 months and never learned the "Moh knowledge sheets" completely.
Some of the names on the current list are 1st degree brown belts by TKF ranking. |
Of course those who did not dedicate years or the required time may not be the perfect candidates.
The list is not to give creditation, but to delineate who was/is practicing. |
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North rogue warrior

Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 215
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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[quote:5d97c7e94c="47MartialMan]
Of course those who did not dedicate years or the required time may not be the perfect candidates.
The list is not to give creditation, but to delineate who was/is practicing. |
Given the current state of things I find this comment hilarious. _________________ Don't claim to be what you once were or might have been. Only claim to be what you are now. |
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47MartialMan black belt test

Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 74
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Like NIKE DO IT |
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grasshopper intervention

Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 305 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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I personally have avoided this thread for the most part because I don't like the list as it is done here. It is very broad and includes instructors & students from 4 different decades
North, like you said, many on this list have had their skill fade away over time while others not on the list have far surpassed the ability of those on it.
The list on this thread should not be used as an indication of peoples present ability and possibly should be done away with.
It's simply a list of people who recieved their Black Belt at TKF or in the style of Moh Kempo, whether they were deserving or not, or have maintained their skill or not, or continue to promote the style or not is not the point of it.
Take it or leave
Quite frankly, there are some names on the list with whose company I would prefer not to share, maybe you should be thankful you are not on it.
PS - perhaps the fact that this thread has had it's formatting screwed up is a message... _________________ This is my happening and it freaks me out!
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THE orange belt test

Joined: 17 Jun 2007 Posts: 31
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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No one remembers me...I'm sad  |
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MrE2Me2 One ring to rule them

Joined: 01 Jul 2006 Posts: 1099
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 2:57 am Post subject: |
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Welcome to the Forum THE.
L.O.L.!
Consider the past forty years of Moh history.
It's amazing that anyone talks to anyone else, at all.
Regards, MrE2Me2 _________________ We’re naught but humble pirates.
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grasshopper intervention

Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 305 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| THE wrote: | No one remembers me...I'm sad  |
Don't be sad...
Shake our memories a bit then? _________________ This is my happening and it freaks me out!
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monk321 flamer


Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 9 Location: Dallas, TX
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject: A credible history |
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I taught at the Bellevue, Kent and Portland studios from 1990-1993 and have kept all the KFC sheets from those days. I've continued to teach students in the Art I taught at TKF, but have no way of tracing a tangible heritage for them. I would like to offer my students a means of knowing they come from a credible history, even if GMS misrepresented himself.
My motivation isn't entirely selfless...
I've often lamented that in a world of black belts, certificates and recognition that my only recognition from TKF was my W-2's from when I was employed as an instructor and Chief Instructor of Kent and Portland. I hope the creation of a former instructor roster leads to a way of recognizing those who faithfully taught students in that system, even if we can never go back.
-Mr. Ott _________________ Lectre et emergo - "Struggle & Emerge"...It's still true, regardless of who you heard it from. |
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grasshopper intervention

Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 305 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Hey monk321 (Mr. Ott)
Send me a Private Message with a little more info, like your full name, the name of the school/dojo you own(?)/ teach at, as well as any other Masters you may have known other than MacDonald or Jones.
New info for our Moh History is always appreciated.
Then I can update the Moh Lineage Tree!!
Cheers
grasshopper _________________ This is my happening and it freaks me out!
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macgyver yellow belt

Joined: 01 Sep 2007 Posts: 10
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| the list is incomplete but very accurate we in winnipeg were held back not tested and there are more who should be on your list not bashing but the management of the studios were paranoid. when shergold left all his certificates were confiscated |
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macgyver yellow belt

Joined: 01 Sep 2007 Posts: 10
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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hey mr ott you taught kevin fredrickson who started teaching me along with mike bagwell
mr hodgson |
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casey nube

Joined: 21 Aug 2009 Posts: 1
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:43 am Post subject: |
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| I am new to this forum and I was in toronto at a KFC/PHS night when Master Sparrow awarded Mr. Hotton and Mr. Pashka there BB's . Shouldn't they be on the list also? |
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MrE2Me2 One ring to rule them

Joined: 01 Jul 2006 Posts: 1099
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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There are a lot of people who are black belts who are not listed.
Overall, the list itself is just very controversial. _________________ We’re naught but humble pirates.
- Captain Barbossa (Pirates of the Caribbean) |
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