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Current Student, Sorry but 17 years old in the 1940's was not considered a child. By todays standard that is the case but back then it was not. I listed 16 years old because there was some allowances that allowed 16 year olds to join the military. As the longevity of the Human race increases so does the acceptable age of consent. In today's standard 18 years old is the commonly accepted age of consent. In the 1800's this would be considered a grown man. Of course, there are some exceptions for those under age kids that lied to get in the military. You are incorrect about the combat units. Once a person has become fully trained it did not matter what their age was, in the front line combat units. There were plenty of 17 year olds who died in battle. As for the 16 year olds, because of the strict allowances to let them enter would mean that these recruits would be only a few weeks away from 17 years old, unless they lied to get in, there were not many 16 year olds who died in battle as it took several months to train them to be ready for combat. The point that you do not get is that the professional Army, The German Army, did not have an official policy for underage kids to get in. The Nazi party's Military and Police force, the SS and the Hitler Youth, did have a policy which let kids in. You say where is my evidence that Olaf was a Nazi. Well, you agreed that His Holiness was most likely part of an anti-aircraft unit. Well, guess what? The only units filled with kids that manned anti-aircraft guns was the Nazi party's Hitler Youth. By your own timeline, His Holiness was not old enough to enter the Professional German Army (which it leader's were well reknowned for despising the Nazi party) but was indeed part of the Nazi party during his formative years as a Hitler youth.

Sounds like His Holiness was a card carrying Nazi during WWII.

Current Student, Can you also clarify your point that a person can be considered a Nazi before the Rise of Nazism, :lol:

Current Student, Can you also clarify your point that a person can be considered a Nazi before the Rise of Nazism, :lol: Not what I said. I said a person or nation could share the ideals of the nazi party. I was pointing ot that the Nazi's were a collection of ideologies not just one, and that sharing one ideal would not make one a nazi. It's a fine line. I agree with you that some ideals carry more weight than others in that modern society defines nazism with the most egregious of their doctrines. Eugenics, anti-semitism, extreme nationalism above all other concerns, worship of facist dictator, military supremecy and of course lebensraum. Hitlers two main objectives outlined in Mein Kampf were eradication of the jews and expansionism. The question should be how many Nazi ideals do you need to share before it's fair to label someone a Nazi?

If anyone is backpedalling it sure sounds like it after you made the remark that the U.S. is a great example of Nazi Ideologies, LOL! Weren't you the one who also said that perhaps Canada can be thrown in there for carrying out Nazi Ideologies? Your paraphrasing and in doing so misquoting me. I did not say US or Canada were great examples of Nazi ideal or that they were Nazis in fact I stated several times that I thought they were not Nazis. I was pointing out that out of the large number of ideologies these nations shared more than a few. Is it enough to call them Nazis? No not in my mind but there may be some that do. So if these countries share a handful of ideals and we don't call them Nazi (read they are not Nazi) states how can we condemn a person who, in your opinion, shares one? So I'll say it again. You condem GMS as being a Nazi based one characteristic and one only. He made some questionable comments in one of his books. No back pedalling at all I have done nothing but move forward. But you have made me go over the same ground again and again. Not sure if anyone else is reading this if so, am I having a problem making myself understood or is it just TKF_PHS that does not get this?

Sounds like His Holiness was a card carrying Nazi during WWII. By your own facts you have posted. He was 16 when the war ended. He was too young to join the Nazi party before it was disbanded. Hitler Youth (what you called Nazi Youth) were not Nazi party members they were children age 10 up to 18. You could join the Nazi party the year you turned 18 so technically you could join at 17 same as joining the army.

Current Student, Sorry but 17 years old in the 1940's was not considered a child. By todays standard that is the case but back then it was not. GMS was 16 at the end of the war. Yes that is a child today and back then. I listed 16 years old because there was some allowances that allowed 16 year olds to join the military. As the longevity of the Human race increases so does the acceptable age of consent. In today's standard 18 years old is the commonly accepted age of consent. In the 1800's this would be considered a grown man. Of course, there are some exceptions for those under age kids that lied to get in the military. 18 was the age of maturity in ww2 Germany. The only exception was when Germany started to lose the war and were running out of adults males to fill the ranks. At that point they began to put children into combat units. CHILDREN, some as young as 8 years old. You are incorrect about the combat units. Once a person has become fully trained it did not matter what their age was, in the front line combat units. There were plenty of 17 year olds who died in battle. As for the 16 year olds, because of the strict allowances to let them enter would mean that these recruits would be only a few weeks away from 17 years old, unless they lied to get in, there were not many 16 year olds who died in battle as it took several months to train them to be ready for combat. Please tell me you didn't just say that once some is trained for combat it doesn't matter how old they are? The point is 16 years old is a child. Children should not be soldiers. Germany in ww2 put children into combat. Your wrong about the Allies accepting 16 year olds as policy if there were any in combat it was a mistake. The point that you do not get is that the professional Army, The German Army, did not have an official policy for underage kids to get in. Yes they did and they did not allow it. If the Germany do nothing else well they write policies for everything and follow them strictly. When they needed to use children as soldiers they rewrote the policy. The Nazi party's Military and Police force, the SS and the Hitler Youth, did have a policy which let kids in. Yes and no. Hitler Youth had a policy yes it was a childrens organization. It was MANDITORY for all boys over age 10. Saying the MP's SS and Police accepted children is an over simplification and therfore incorrect. You say where is my evidence that Olaf was a Nazi. Well, you agreed that His Holiness was most likely part of an anti-aircraft unit. Well, guess what? The only units filled with kids that manned anti-aircraft guns was the Nazi party's Hitler Youth. Guess what? DO SOME READING. Hitler Youth were not members of the Nazi Party. It was a Nazi organization they all were but the party did not accept children as party members. By your own timeline, His Holiness was not old enough to enter the Professional German Army (which it leader's were well reknowned for despising the Nazi party) but was indeed part of the Nazi party during his formative years as a Hitler youth. Wrong. Laughably wrong. So your saying all children in ww2 Germany age 10 plus were Nazis.....LOL. There are a lot of people who were in the Hitler Youth like for example.....THE POPE. Society generally disagrees with your viewpoint and your tendancy to slap a Nazi label on all wartime German children.

"Wrong. Laughably wrong. So your saying all children in ww2 Germany age 10 plus were Nazis.....LOL. There are a lot of people who were in the Hitler Youth like for example.....THE POPE. Society generally disagrees with your viewpoint and your tendancy to slap a Nazi label on all wartime German children." - Current Student The Hitler youth indoctrinated the children to Nazi party Ideologies. It seems to have sunk in, in His Holiness Olaf's case. It apparently, didn't sink in, in the Pope's case. But, yet they are both called His Holiness. I wonder which one is legit? Could one of them be a megalomaniac like their mentor, Hitler? Well I guess that boils it down. It's only your opinion. If you had some facts to back up your opinion I suppose you'd post them. SO far all you've posted was some less than PC quotes from a book...and what else...hmm...oh nothing. Well unless you count your opinion as concrete..which I don't.

That is correct. It is just my opinion. I am not trying to make you change yours. Let's just leave it as I stated before: 1. Hitler's Mentor is the Devil 2. Olaf's Mentor is Hitler 3. Current Student's mentor is Olaf You don't need to believe it. Heck, you can even say that it is ridiculous. No big deal. In the end it is just one man's opinion. He may or may not be a Nazi but he will always be a man of extremely low moral character.

To TKF_PHS, Although I find many of your comments amusing, I also find many of them woefully simplified and narrowminded... This may again just be just your sarcasm and/ or attempts to incite a reaction by being inflamitory... Surely you don't actually believe in your little Karma tree there, or at least in levels 2 & 3 1. Hitler's Mentor is the Devil 2. Olaf's Mentor is Hitler 3. Current Student's mentor is Olaf As many faults as Olaf has, I do not think he regards Hitler (or the Nazi Party), as a mentor, niether do I think that current student considers Olaf to be his mentor, maybe TKF or his immidiate teachers, but as he has had little or no contact with Olaf I do not think that he would count as a mentor... And the two of you debating on who has a higher level of education, smarter friends and/ or spent more time in High School debating class are hilarious...

I was just having some fun...I thought it was hilarious too.

Don't worry Mr E. I know TKF_PHS is saying most of that stuff just to incite a reaction. I was quite a WW2 buff when I was younger and read just about everything about it down to the angles of the glacis plating on a PzKpfw V. I still find it very interesting but my reading interests have gone in other directions. And the two of you debating on who has a higher level of education, smarter friends and/ or spent more time in High School debating class are hilarious... I thought that was funny to as I never mentioned anywhere my level of education. TKF_PHS must have confused me with someone else. If a person is clever he should not have to call attention to the fact. In my mind it's like telling people how funny you are...it should be self evident. And if it isn't you probably aren't. TKF_PHS: I enjoyed it too thanks.

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