These guys are nothing more than hollow chearleaders for the new cadre of Simonettes. Each and every anti-TKF post is exhaustively picked apart using circular logic or obvious diversion to avoid dealing with anything concretely, but (at least in their minds...) creating just enough doubt and confusion - allowing TKFers who don't want to believe to more easily dismiss the truth, or who know in the back of their head they've spent years dedicated to the whims of a loon to convince themselves that it was worthwhile. Excuse me? Since when have I not answered questions head on? If there is occasion where I have not it would only be because it's in an area I don't feel qualified to respond and I believe I state when this is the case. Now I know you guys generally view anyone with a pro-TKF attitude with contempt it is fairly evident. I know you guys prefer to chase us off so that you can post to the forum with no opposing viewpoints. You guys post multiple questions in your posts so now when I make an attempt to answer each one I'm "picking the post apart". I try to be respectful of your guys points of view I don't understand why you can't do the same for me and others. This kind of stuff convinces me that you guys post questions that you have no interest in hearing answers for. The only purpose seems to be to post questions in an attempt to embarrass TKF with them. I frankly don't know why I bother to try and answer questions to people who have no interest in answers. So now all of a sudden GMS has become a well documented and accepted Nazi simply because of him being a German soldier during WWII and a couple of people's opinions of him personally. Nice. You are probably not interested but I've heard GMS talk about the Nazi party and he does not speak well of them. I have heard him denounce them publicly many times.

I've heard GMS talk about the Nazi party and he does not speak well of them. I have heard him denounce them publicly many times." - Current Student He knows what is politically correct now a days. I'm sure that if you spouted out some Nazi Ideologies in private that he would be there right with you. Some of his "Masters" told me with their own words that they heard him say racist remarks. "So now all of a sudden GMS has become a well documented and accepted Nazi simply because of him being a German soldier during WWII and a couple of people's opinions of him personally." - Current Student My opinion is based on the fact of his suspect past. His published book with bigoted phrases. His lack of integrity and poor business practices. His lies. Delusions of grandeur. First hand accounts of his racists remarks. It all points to a person of dubious character. How can you even give him the benefit of the doubt. Excuse me? Since when have I not answered questions head on? - Current Student Then answer the questions in my rebuttal of why you stated that the United States is a great example of Nazi Ideologies. I am not insulting you but I think that you are ignorant of what the Nazis represented. Before anyone gets up in arms about me throwing insults, ignorant simply means "lacking knowledge". You say that Olaf is not a Nazi but your statements show that you have no comprehension of Nazi Ideologies. Please do some reading on the subject and respond with an informed rebuttal. I am not here to give out a grade 10 history lesson.

I'm getting behind in my replies here. Sorry if it seems like I'm "picking apart you post" really I'm just trying to repond to your points for readablitly. I believe that GMS is a Nazi and you don’t. See that's the way you should have said it the first time. I absolutely do not believe that all Germans are Nazis. But I do believe through Simon’s past and ideologies through his printed words that he is a Nazi. There has been numerous rumours of people having heard him make anti-semetic and racist remarks. I've heard my parents make those kinds of remarks too, but I assure you they are not Nazis. It's a bigger world than that, all people that have some racists viewpoints are not Nazis. If he said something like, "Hey the Nazis were great we should all be Nazis." then you may have a point. You state that an example of current Nazi Ideology is currently being held by the United States. Nazi Germany’s government led by Adolf Hitler promoted a nationalism that combined territorial expansion with claims of biological superiority - an “Aryan master race” - and virulent antisemitism. Driven by a racist ideology legitimized by German scientists. I think that you are greatly misinformed if you think that the United States government mirrors Nazi Germany for a number of obvious reasons: Well I was saying there were parallels not that they are or were the same. Let me see if I can make a stronger link than you and at the same time drive home my point. 1. Nazi Germany invaded other countries and took their land, resources and subordinated their people. Although, the U.S. has set it’s military forces on foreign lands they did not take the land and resources as their own, nor did they subordinate the population. In fact, they have respected the fact that these were sovereign nations and tried to instill a government run by the locals as is evidenced in their policies in Kuwait, Iraq and Afghanistan. You may not agree with the reasons why their military has set foot on these countries but the U.S. foreign policy certainly does not parallel Nazi Germany. Maybe you should have a look at the birth of the nation. I think the native people of North America may have some illumination on this subject for you. 2. Nazi Germany had a Eugenics program. In order to eliminate "defective" citizens, the T-4 Euthanasia Program was administered by Karl Brandt to rid the country of the mentally retarded or those born with genetic deficiencies, as well as those deemed to be racially inferior. Nazi Germany not only murdered physical and mentally handicapped people but also targeted homosexuals, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Gypsies and Poles. This eventually gave rise to the Holocaust. The U.S. is known as a “melting pot” where all races are not subordinated to another but are in fact all considered American Citizens. Is there an official Eugenics program that you know of that the U.S. currently has in place? Probably no eugenics program currently in place if there is it would not be official. But there have been in the past. In 1924, the Immigration Act was passed by majorities in the U.S. House and Senate. It set up strict quotas limiting immigrants from countries believed by eugenicists to have "inferior" stock, particularly Southern Europe and Asia. President Coolidge, who signed the bill into law, had stated when he was vice president, "America should be kept American. . . . Biological laws show that Nordics deteriorate when mixed with other races." There are certainly no shortage of eugenics proponents in the US. There are even links made to Bush and a eugenics ideology http://www.kmf.org/williams/bushbook/bush3.html http://www.kmf.org/williams/bushbook/bushb.html#Table But i could post pages and pages of these links including evidence that the Bush family financially backed the nazi party. I'm not sure how much of that crap I beleive, and I don't really need it to make my point about ideological similarities. http://www.spectacle.org/596/us.html 3. Nazi Germany attempted Genocide of the Jews, having murdered 6 million innocent people. I was not aware that the U.S. had concentration camps that actively commits Genocide against any race? If you have information on this perhaps you can let us all know of it? Once again I draw your attention to our Native American friends. There are people that claim the US is committing genocide through support of other countries who put the policies in effect. Some more points about nazi ideaology: > Nazism also provided for extreme nationalism which called for the unification of all German-speaking peoples into a single empire. Who are a better example of extreme nationalism? Again i don't fault them for it quite contrary I admire it. > Nazism also placed an emphasis on sports and paramilitary activities for youth, the massive use of propaganda (controlled by Joseph Goebbels) to glorify the state, and the submission of all decisions to the supreme leader (FÅhrer) Adolf Hitler. Except for the fascism part the US has and extreme emphasis on sports and the military, there are many paramilitary youth organizations. Propaganda? I don't even want to start down that road. I think the 3 reasons above are enough evidence to dispute the fact that the U.S. does not mirror Nazi Ideologies. I think that you are grossly misinformed. May want to have another look at that. Remember we were talking ideology and not methodology. I'm not saying the Americans are nazis only there are parallels in ideology and I beleve they are a lot stronger than the ones you are trying to make saying GMS is a Nazi. I certainly don't mean this to be an anti-american post a lot of these points are not bad things, they just happen to parallel nazi ideals.

Quote: "So now all of a sudden GMS has become a well documented and accepted Nazi simply because of him being a German soldier during WWII and a couple of people's opinions of him personally." - Current Student My opinion is based on the fact of his suspect past. His published book with bigoted phrases. His lack of integrity and poor business practices. His lies. Delusions of grandeur. First hand accounts of his racists remarks. It all points to a person of dubious character. How can you even give him the benefit of the doubt. Then answer the questions in my rebuttal of why you stated that the United States is a great example of Nazi Ideologies. I am not insulting you but I think that you are ignorant of what the Nazis represented. Before anyone gets up in arms about me throwing insults, ignorant simply means "lacking knowledge". You say that Olaf is not a Nazi but your statements show that you have no comprehension of Nazi Ideologies. Please do some reading on the subject and respond with an informed rebuttal. I am not here to give out a grade 10 history lesson. Read my rebuttal see if you feel the same way, sorry i didn't have time to post it earlier. I think being so fast to brand someone a nazi because of some racist comments shows more of a lack of understanding about what the nazis were than anything. Like I said before my parents say some things that are racist too. They say things that I would be embarrest to repeat here. Are they nazis? By your view they are but I promise you they are not. They were born and raised in europe in the same era as GMS. People had very different views back then and yes racism was common and yes accepted as the norm. I would veture to say that probably most 60+ aged europeans are racist. Now we have the pollitical correctness movement to make sure we speak as we shoud, that didn't exist then.

I think a distinction needs to be made between saying someone is/was a nazi (in historical or political context) and calling someone a nazi as a slur... just to hone the argument a little... but everyone seems to think I'm an "agitator" anyway so it might be best ignore me. :roll: 8) Here's an example of 'nazi' in the first context: "Hermann Goering was a nazi." Here is an example of 'nazi' as a slur: "The moderators are real post-nazis -- they keep editing my posts, and have the filter set to say 'cornholio' instead of a more common vernacular involving a hole..."

Current Student, You have brought forth some arguments but I fail to see the point you are making. Your statement of the United States as a shining example of Nazism was based on the assumption that you were talking of the U.S.A. as we know of it today. Not the U.S.A. of the 1800's or of 1924. Your point on Native Americans being subordinated is quite the poor example: 1. This all happened in the 19th Century! Nazism was't even around. I thought we were debating in terms of the 21st Century. 2. Your point on the 1924 Immigration Act cannot in any way extrapolate to an official eugenics program. Also, it is a very weak argument as the 1924 Immigration Act has already been superceded many times over. 3. Nationalism - well this point alone is not what made Nazi Germany. In fact, every country which bans religion has a fierce Nationalism program in place. State in replacement of God. This can be seen in the former Soviet Union and currently in China. Are you saying that every country that displays fierce Nationalism is a Nazi country? 4. "Nazism also placed an emphasis on sports and paramilitary activities for youth" - Current Student So does nearly every other country? Does this point alone define what Nazi Germany is known for? Should current countries that have this emphasis be labelled as Nazis too? 5. "Remember we were talking ideology and not methodology." - Current Student Exactly...well put. You are bringing the wrong tools to a debate. We are talking about Nazi Ideology. You cite examples, but these examples are not exclusive to Nazi Ideology. Combine all your examples with an active Eugenics program, antisemitism so extreme that they murdered 6 million people, claims of biological superiority, etc. Why don't you address the points that Nazi Germany and only Nazi Germany is known for? That is why it's called NAZI Ideology. Next time try bringing up points that pertain to NAZISM. And lots of ideologies mirror nazi ideology a big one is the United States. - Current Student I'm not saying the Americans are nazis - Current Student Well it sure sounds like you were saying that in the first quote!

Hey Drunken Monkey, I edited your post (just so you know). And what, do I have bad breath? Where are the answers to my questions? (They are from my pot on page 1 of this debate.) Regards, MrE2Me2

Why do I have to answer your questions? I haven't received one answer to any of mine... from anyone.

I'm not sure about your breath.

Each and every anti-TKF post is exhaustively picked apart using circular logic or obvious diversion to avoid dealing with anything concretely, but (at least in their minds...) creating just enough doubt and confusion This same arguement could be used against the anti-tkfers as well. I'm curious that with so many people posting on this thread that only three people have voted on the initial question? Finally, at his request I have given Mr.E2ME2 moderator status on this forum. Partly becasue i feel his position on the subject of TKF and Simon is relatively neutral, also because I do not have much time in the day to troll the internet for flamers while he does... However, if Drunken Monkey or anyone else feels that their posts are beinging edited unfairly and for no good reason then please PM me and I will look into it... :)

sigh, i almost missed you DrunkenMonkey... and have the filter set to say 'cornholio' instead of a more common vernacular involving a hole..." It's a joke you ass licking, cocksucking piece of shit asshole! :wink: If we're post-nazi's does that mean: "No Post For You!!" I don't think so cunt face. You're still posting. Who's a Nazi now fuck wad. Must have written somethin' nasty to piss ol' MrE2Me2 off. He can be a real mean motherfucker when he's mad! :wink: Shalom MuthaFucka

GADZOOKS!! Such Language! I May Faint! L.O.L.! Hello Drunken Monkey, I’m glad you took my post in the spirit that it was intended. As for your questions, it looks like no one will answer these. As for my questions: You don’t have to answer them. I mean, hey, if you want to follow in the steps of Grand Master Simon, Then who am I to nay say you :-D About my breath, I changed mouth wash but I don't know if it is working yet. What means this "Only For External Use"? Regards, MrE2Me2

I repied to DM's post before I read the rest of the messages. Here I thought this is a polite post with an honest opinion. I didn't know when I replied that it was originally offensive enough that Mr E had to edit it. Well maybe that's an example of communication styles and how people respond to being treated like a fellow human to being kicked in the groin. If i had read the original from the sounds of it I would have not responded. But I guess getting answers is not the goal of the troll. Speaking of which I went mack through this thread to try and find what question MonkeyMan is talking about that wasn't answered. He didn't post any questions that I could find. Was something deleted that I missed?

Anyway back to the point I was trying to make with TKF_PHS. I guess I'm letting myself get pulled off the tracks a bit in trying to make my point. I'm not sure if you meant to call GMS a nazi as a slur as DM may or may not have pointed out. If you mean it as a literal as in you think GMS really is a nazi then my point is it's a weak connection to call someone a nazi simply because they made a few racist comments. I really don't believe Americans are Nazis I was trying to point out that sharing a few ideologies does not make a nazi. You have to admit however (and I know Canada is no better in this regard) during the birth of the nation all us white people sure behaved like Nazis. I know they (nazis) didn't exist yet but that doen't make the behaviour any less shameful or lessen the accountability. A racist does not equal a nazi. The Black Panthers are racist and certainly not nazis and yet you don't call GMS a Black Panther.