The Incomplete List
The Incomplete List The Mo Pai kempo Kung fu Black Belt Family Tree House Or MPKKBBFTH for short. This list is not just for fun. It has a very specific reason for existence.. The purpose is to recognize the students and former students of Mo. At least to recognize those who have reached the level of Black Belt. Regardless of where they have achieved their rank from. When you have a name, PM me and I’ll add it. Grandmaster of Mo In no particular order: M. Hilbig D. Simon E. Bateson L. Bateson – G. Kwan D. Sheer L. Cheney E. Repack W. Carlson K. Fiedler T. Higgs: G. Laffanassie Ed. Bruneau Ed McIsaac Michelle McIsaac Shawn Pickett Brent May Curtis May Jeff Krueger E. OBrien M. Andrews B. Megan B. Fresien M. Harlaka P. McAndrews B. Leishman R. Terlecki L. Terlecki J. Burkus W. Thomas: - K. Taylor - R. Warnstaff - T. Hoare - K. Bliss - L. Kitson - B. Kitson - J. Robertson S. MacLaren H. Muller T. Sparrow T. Weber R. Jones D. Piercy R. Shergold D. MacDonald J. Jacubowski M.. Smith A.. Martel A. Thistleton B. Stokowski T. Demetrius J. Baker M. Bagwell J. Wilkinson Mr. Simms Mr. Sigfuson R. Hanley H. Murray C. Charlton M. Iurillo R. Siochowicz DJ Swanstrom G. Crossman Cam said, “When I first joined Energy Lake, the Head Instructor, a man by the name of Stevens or Stevenson(can't remember) was a blue sash.” From Kenpo rocks, we get the following names: J. Baker M. Bagwell J. Wilkinson Mr. Simms From SwollenKnuckle: R. Del Coro (Mrs. Piercey) D. Toutongui (not positive about first initial or spelling, I'm sure Grasshopper can help correct) K. Corbett M. Dinh R. White R. Rose M. Mandrusiak Also not sure if this was already discussed but I noticed that the list includes mostly instructors and not many of the student black belts are listed. Here are last names of the ones that I remember Parnell McNeil Goodman Cooper Tooke Rewega Matthews Sheppard Rosenburg Buchanan Horsburgh Mr Dubois Regards, MrE2Me2 Without prejudice E&OE

The Incomplete List The Mo Pai Kempo Kung fu Black Belt Family Tree House MPKKBBFTH for short. I’ve tried to put this in alphabetical order. I’ve also unlocked this thread now that the controversy has died down a bit. If you have a name, add it, please. A M. Andrews B M. Bagwell J. Baker E. Bateson L. Bateson Mr. Blano K. Bliss E. Bruneau Mr. Buchanan J. Burkus C C. Charlton Mr. Cooper K. Corbett G. Crossman D R. Del Coro (Mrs. Piercey) T. Demetrius M. Dinh Mr. Dubois E F B. Friesen G Mr. Goodman H R. Hanly M. Harlaka M. Hilbig T. Higgs A. Hoare Mr. Horsburgh I M. Iurillo J J. Jacubowski R. Jones K B. Kitson L. Kitson G. Kwan L B. Leishman M P. McAndrews D. MacDonald S. MacLaren Mr. McNeil M. Mandrusiak Mr. Mathews A. Martel H. Muller H. Murray N O E. O’Brien P Mr. Parnell S. Pickett D. Piercy M. Puckett (?) Q R Mr. Rewega J. Robertson R. Rose Mr. Rosenburg S D. Sheer Mr. Sheppard R, Shergold Mr. Sigfuson R. Siochowicz D. Simon Mr. Simms M. Smith T. Sparrow Mr. Stevens or Stevenson (from cam) B. Stokowski D Swanstrom T C. Taylor L. Terlecki P. Terlecki D. Toutongui A. Thistleton W. Thomas Mr. Tooke T. Truscott U V W R. Warnstaff T. Weber R. White J. Wilkinson X Y Z Regards, MrE2Me2 Without prejudice E&OE

Thanks i will get a list for you

Hello
Hi :D i was a student at the kffl in edmonton for a while before i swithced to tkf. you guys dont have many of the edmonton black belts do you. here's a few you are missing (sorry if i misspelled any names) - mr dorian - miss miketon - mr palka - mr oliver - mr payton (doctor payton??) - mr lumber - mr rork there's also a some other black belts whose names i either don't know, can't remember or just don't know how to say. there's also a master in edmonton (red sash). do you guys want to include masters as well on the list? i've heard his name a bunch of times but i'm not sure how its pronounced. what about blue sashes? theres a guy with a thick slavic accent, glasses and a mustache. i've heard his name but dont know how to say it. theres also a woman who wears a blue sash (i think her name is mrs dickson). sorry but i have a hard time with names. dont mean to hurt anyones feelings. anyone from ednontom can help me with these names? just trying to be helpful. this is my first post here by the way so hello everyone! :D

Welcome Justme, And thank you for the update. The reason it is named an incomplete list is because it is still in transition. We’re only now getting word of some of those who have been black belts for awhile. I’ll have the names you have added to the list in a couple of days. Regards, MrE2Me2

Hi justme. Welcome to the forum. I'm a current student at Edmonton TKF, and can list all the black belts currently in the system. The reason I haven't is that I'm not convinced everyone wants to be on there. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but some people just prefer not to have their names published on the Internet. I know for certain that two of the current black belts would rather stay off the list, and many of the others know about this site but have not put their names forward. Concerning the names you did post: Mr Doiron (note the spelling) was not a black belt under TKF but a chief instructor. Great guy, worked hard and did well with the little training he got from those who should have trained him. He was prematurely promoted to a black belt at KFFL by Master Weber to fill the gap when the TKF black belts left. Miss Miketon was a blue belt student, and worked as a junior instructor in the last few weeks of KFFL in Edmonton. Good skill for a blue belt, but definitely nowhere close to a black belt. Mr Palka was a black belt. Mr Oliver is a junior instructor, an "apprentice black belt", but definitely not a black belt. The other names you've horribly misspelled (not your fault, some of them are quite hard). As for blue sashes, they don't indicate a black belt (the people you mentioned don't have one), and I think they should be left off the list. It seems to me there has been some confusion between instructors and black belts. An instructor is a position, not a rank. Instructors often wear a black sash, but that's certainly not the same as a black belt. It makes me think how many other names currently on the list may not really be black belts. It's also a hard call about who you consider a Moh black belt (I think someone else called this into question before). If a student of someone who's trained under someone who was at TKF got their black belt, can you really count that? Chances are that what they are taught is either a watered down, incomplete version of the original, or else has stuff added to it from other styles. Either way it's not really a Moh black belt (even though they may be skilled enough to be called a black belt in general). Even within TKF the standards have not always been followed (which is why a Black Belt Board has now been set up to test all black belts and ensure that they really have the knowledge and skill required). These are all very tough questions to answer when compiling such a list.

Hello Vortexx, You posted, “It makes me think how many other names currently on the list may not really be black belts.” There is no doubt that the concept of a Moh Black Belt is very controversial. You posted, “It's also a hard call about who you consider a Moh black belt (I think someone else called this into question before).” There is also no doubt that becoming a Moh Black belt recipient has gone through many changes. You posted, “These are all very tough questions to answer when compiling such a list.” And these are questions that should be asked. More, they should be asked by all who are practicing Moh (not just those who currently training with Temple Kung Fu). You posted, “…which is why a Black Belt Board has now been set up to test all black belts and ensure that they really have the knowledge and skill required)” I, personally, am pleased that such a step has been taken to ensure quality control. But I would also like it noted that this is a step taken by Temple Kung Fu and by other Moh organizations, as well. There are many Moh Black Belts and Moh Masters who do not belong to TKF. There are other Moh Masters and Moh Black Belts who have high standards. For instance; I no longer follow Temple Kung Fu but my Belt is still just as Black. So are the Belts of Masters Higgs and Terlecki (to name but two). Regards, MrE2Me2 Without prejudice E&OE

The Incomplete List The Mo Pai Kempo Kung fu Black Belt Family Tree House MPKKBBFTH for short. My thanks go out to all who have helped, especially to Sifusblano for his contributions. They have been added but just so there is no mistake, here is a link. These people have been awarded their Black Belts under Master Ed O’Brien. http://www.linnk.com/kungfu/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=73 My thanks also go to Yeh Hui , Justme and to Vortexx for your contributions to the list. The Total (but incomplete) list in Alphabetical Order: A M. Andrews B M. Bagwell J. Baker E. Bateson L. Bateson J. Bell K. Bliss P. Brend M. Brescia A. Brookes E. Bruneau Mr. Buchanan J. Burkus C C. Charlton C. Chen K. Collinson Mr. Cooper K. Corbett M. Costa J. Crawford G. Crossman N. Cumming M. Cunanan C. Cunningham D R. Del Coro (Mrs. Piercey) T. Demetrius J. Dhillon M. Dinh G. Dipalma Mr. Doiron J. Doran Mr. Dubois E F B. Friesen G D, Gage C. Giordano Mr. Goodman P. Grant N. Griffin H R. Hanly M. Harlaka D. Hawley M. Hilbig T. Higgs A. Hoare T. Hodgkinson B. Holland Mr. Horsburgh I R. Ippersiel M. Iurillo J J. Jacubowski R. Jones K B. Kitson L. Kitson J. Klym G. Kwan L D. Law M. Lambe B. Leishman C. Leboef M P. McAndrews D. MacDonald S. MacLaren Mr. McNeil J. Majola M. Mandrusiak R. Mason M. Marchionni Mr. Mathews K. Makris A. Martel B. Monteilhet A. Moore H. Muller I. Munro H. Murray N O E. O’Brien P Mr. Palka Mr. Parnell S. Patterson J. Pettigrew S. Pickett D. Piercy Q R S. Raja Mr. Rewega D. Ricard B. Richer R. Ritter M. Rizk J. Robertson R. Rose Mr. Rosenburg S G. Sblano D. Sheer Mr. Sheppard R, Shergold Mr. Sigfuson R. Siochowicz D. Simon Mr. Simms M. Smith T. Sparrow C. Stevens Mr. Stevens or Stevenson (from cam) B. Stokowski D Swanstrom W. Szewczyk T C. Taylor L. Terlecki P. Terlecki D. Toutongui A. Thistleton W. Thomas M. Tonni Mr. Tooke T. Truscott U V W N. Wallace C. Walsh R. Warnstaff T. Weber R. White J. Wilkinson X Y Z Regards, MrE2Me2 Without prejudice E&OE

hi vortex and mre2me2 (i like that, it's a clever name, i actually just got it :D ) actually vortex you're wrong about miss miketon, in the very last days of the edmonotn kffl studio, she taught one of the last skill classes wearing her black belt (it was a pretty small class, just me and two others) it was a belt, not a sash. she said that mastr webber gave it to her. surely if she got her black belt from master webber, she deserves to be on the list, no? vortex you sure seem to know a lot more than me so i'm not questioning your knowledge. its just that i was with kffl right till the end when they closed there doors so i happen to know. i thought she was a great lady and dont want her to get short changed just because tkf wont hire her. vortex, are you one of the black belts who doesn't want to be on the list? if so how come? oh yeah i remember another instructor who was breifly at kffl in edmonton. i think they brought him up from the calgary kffl. his name was mr godbu (spelling???). i think he was a black belt too. mre2me2, how come you guys dont include people with blue and red sashes? just wondering. wouldn't they be at least as good as a black belt? or even better? i'm really really really really sorry about misspelling peoples names!!!!! i don't mean to insult anyone, i'm just a bad speller. i dont think people should be left off the black belt list just because their names are hard to spell. bye for now everyone :D

The Incomplete List The Mo Pai Kempo Kung fu Black Belt Family Tree House MPKKBBFTH for short. Hello Justme, I’m glad that you got my nic. Originally, it was just going to be Mr. E but that was taken. So I switched it to Mr. E2 , that was also gone. So I extended it to Mr. E2Me but I was too late and it was gone, as well. So finally I got it to Mr. E2Me2. I have added the names you have given. I have not included the red or blue sashes. I am not sure how they relate to the belt ranks. From what I have read, it differs from when I was there. My thanks go out to all who have helped, especially to Sifusblano for his contributions. They have been added but just so there is no mistake, here is a link. These people have been awarded their Black Belts under Master Ed O’Brien. http://www.linnk.com/kungfu/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=73 My thanks also go to Yeh Hui , Justme and to Vortexx for your contributions to the list. The Total (but incomplete) list in Alphabetical Order: A M. Andrews B M. Bagwell J. Baker E. Bateson L. Bateson J. Bell K. Bliss P. Brend M. Brescia A. Brookes E. Bruneau Mr. Buchanan J. Burkus C C. Charlton C. Chen K. Collinson Mr. Cooper K. Corbett M. Costa J. Crawford G. Crossman N. Cumming M. Cunanan C. Cunningham D R. Del Coro (Mrs. Piercey) T. Demetrius J. Dhillon M. Dinh G. Dipalma Mr. Doiron J. Doran Mr. Dubois E F B. Friesen G D, Gage C. Giordano Mr. Godbu Mr. Goodman P. Grant N. Griffin H R. Hanly M. Harlaka D. Hawley M. Hilbig T. Higgs A. Hoare T. Hodgkinson B. Holland Mr. Horsburgh I R. Ippersiel M. Iurillo J J. Jacubowski R. Jones K B. Kitson L. Kitson J. Klym G. Kwan L D. Law M. Lambe B. Leishman C. Leboef Mr. Lumber M P. McAndrews D. MacDonald S. MacLaren Mr. McNeil J. Majola M. Mandrusiak R. Mason M. Marchionni Mr. Mathews K. Makris A. Martel B. Monteilhet A. Moore H. Muller I. Munro H. Murray N O E. O’Brien P Mr. Palka Mr. Parnell S. Patterson Mr. Payton (Doctor Payton??) J. Pettigrew S. Pickett D. Piercy Q R S. Raja Mr. Rewega D. Ricard B. Richer R. Ritter M. Rizk J. Robertson Mr. Rork R. Rose Mr. Rosenburg S G. Sblano D. Sheer Mr. Sheppard R, Shergold Mr. Sigfuson R. Siochowicz D. Simon Mr. Simms M. Smith T. Sparrow C. Stevens Mr. Stevens or Stevenson (from cam) B. Stokowski D Swanstrom W. Szewczyk T C. Taylor L. Terlecki P. Terlecki D. Toutongui A. Thistleton W. Thomas M. Tonni Mr. Tooke T. Truscott U V W N. Wallace C. Walsh R. Warnstaff T. Weber R. White J. Wilkinson X Y Z Regards, MrE2Me2 Without prejudice E&OE

thanks mre2me2 ok i got it strait now, red and blue sashes are out, thats kool 8) but then i hate to be a pain in the you-know-what but master weber should not be on the list either because hes a red sash (master). what about white sashes? even tho i never saw him in my short time at kffl, i was told that grand master piercy is a white sash. and what about grand master simon? isn't he also a white sash? (i assume thats are who you mean by t. weber, d. piercy and d. simon, but maybe i'm wrong since those are quite common names) yes i know i'm just a little trouble maker :oops: i know you're doing the best you can mre2me2 and its so kool that you have put this list together. by the way it's nice to see some women on the list. it gives us hope (yes thats right i'm a woman and hopefully i'll be on the list some day! hey a girl can dream right?) bye for now everyone :D

Hello Justme, You posted, “yes i know i'm just a little trouble maker” You aren’t alone here… Maybe we should change our name to, “Society of Troublemakers” or, “S.O.T.” for short. About the sashes: I am unable to comment about these because they seem to have changed since my time. I have stayed with the concept of “Black Belt” to start off with. Perhaps later, we can start another thread devoted to Masters. About the rest of your post: There are legal issues that make in difficult to post as freely as might be done otherwise. I believe that I have posted as much as I am able to, right now. You posted, “by the way it's nice to see some women on the list. it gives us hope (yes thats right i'm a woman and hopefully i'll be on the list some day! hey a girl can dream right?)” Have you seen the thread devoted to, “The Female Fighters of Moh”? http://templekungforum.14.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=43 Any input here would be appreciated. Regards, MrE2Me2 Without prejudice E&OE

One more blackbelt I know of in Edmonton North was Mr. Maxwell.