The Incomplete List

To Justme, You posted, "too bad you took miss miketon off our list but kept mr dorian. must be a guy-thing" It is with some embarrassment that I admit I once entered a tournament as a black belt. In point of fact, at the time, I was only a blue belt (but oh so arrogant). I had my donkey handed to me, not once but twice. As skilled a blue belt as I was, I was not a black belt and should not have been there. There is a world of difference between blue belt and black belt. It isn’t about the number of techniques or even the attitude that makes this difference. I don’t really believe that it can be explained in words. But as a black belt, I could see a definite difference from when I was a blue belt. I would hope that you will too. Regards, MrE2Me2

RD Let me first say that Mr E and Co. are doing a good job running this forum and your intentions in creating a black belt list are positive and admirable. Your hearts are in the right place. Thank you However I would like to explain why I think that only an appointed black belt comittee should decide who has a black belt in the Moh (Temple) system. We are not associates of TKF or Moh Temple System. Our list is meant for reference. It is not a hierarchy.Nor do we grade anyone. I will speak for myself. I train Moo kempo. Others train Moo kempo. This website is for me to look at when I need reference to something. I mean no disrespect by my following statement and speak only for myself and not for the other moderators or members. Most of the reasons you bring up for not wanting or approving of the list is purely politcal. I do not care about what a Moh Kempo Black Belt Committee appointed by GMS has to say about my right to promote, discuss or share the art of Moo kempo with anyone. Regardless of wether or not its about techniques, history, or otherwise. I am a black belt. I study Moo kempo. I am always on the lookout for likeminded people who wish to share. If you wish you can have GMS black belt commitee send me a private message with a complete list of all Moh temple black belts if they wish for it to be part of the The Mo Pai kempo Kung fu Black Belt Family Tree House. I would be honored to hear from them. And further more you keep starting all your statements with " I undestand that..." . but at some time in the sixties, it is said that he just tied it on himself. Doesn't look good. Now I am supposed to be concerned about a commitee appointed by the man who just one day tied on a belt. not gonna happen. Further more, since that time, I understand that a group of masters travelling here from China awarded him with a much higher rank, thus legitimizing his black belt, and then some... Who are these people? The same masters that certified Master Hilbig? Because if it is then they are the same ones my teacher has a 7th degree black belt with as well. So him and GMS are certified from the same group? I can prove with a simple photograph that I am telling the truth. Can you prove to me that GMS has this so called certifificate( which I really wish you would because you wuold clear up a large part of the controvery you speak of) And further more did this certificate give him the exclusive rights to the art of MOH?? As I understand it, these are some of the many reasons that GMS has set up a black belt comittee consisting of senior people to decide who recieves black belts. As I understand it I would like to know what you have as concrete evidence about all these things. Has the MOH temple sent you to me as a messenger???? I dont think so. If you are on the Moh Temple Commitee I want to see proof. If you are not a part of the GMS commitee, Then what is your real concern. Did GMS himself tell you about his committee and then leave you out of it???? I am as much about promoting the art of Moo Kempo as you are going to find. But I do not care about the Politics in your MOH TEMPLE committee. Make ya a deal, have the commitee bring me the Sacred Shaolin plates, I will see about taking down the list. C'mon man if such a commitee existed, and they were serving any real purpose, they would be trying to openly set the record straight about everything. The lineage, the history the art itself. Not sending a messenger to say, " we dont like the fact that there is a kempo community outsuide of our own little temple". If you are a part of the commitee you may rest well tonight you have done your job. If you are not a part of the commitee then what????????????????????????? sifu shawn

RD, No offense taken. Nor am I trying to offend you. I also believe that a black belt rank has great value, and the motivation to get one has been the driving force for many accomplished martial artists. Therefore I am always disappointed when people say and do things to dilute the value. I am worried that discussion on this forum may be going in that direction I also agree that a black belt has great value. And I am sorry if you feel this forum is headed in a direction that shows otherwise. I disagree with you. I don't know who certified her. I cannot prove GMS has a certificate, but he probably can. Although since he is in his seventies and retired I don't expect him to. As an anology, my father is 71 and retired. He worked his whole life as a professional engineer in Europe and North America. He has many certificates and degrees framed and on dispaly in his house. But if some guy on a website started demanding that he fly out to Toronto or Vancouver and prove he was an certified professional engineer, he would respond with a statement I can't post here - he's not as polite as me I like your analogy and I am not asking anyone to prove anything. The problem with forums is people like to come here and make statements and have nothing to back those statements up with. The reason I keep prefacing things with "As I understand.." is because I am simply telling you what I've heard. The things I've said were told to us in group classes This is nothing new. Many people talk about what they have heard instead of what they know. However I can assure you the list is not about us ranking anyone. It is not about trying to disprove, or overate anyones rank. Rank is in itself overated. The list, to me is to see where the art of moo kempo has gone and how many people it has touched. You are confusing the Business you are effected by(moh temple system), with the art(moo kempo) I train. People should be concerned with obtaining knowledge and sharing that knowledge, not with who is recognized as what belt. The arts are an individual journey. Your rank is about where you are today compared to where you were when you first started training. It has nothing to do with where anyone else is in their journey. I actually wish for you to continue posting. But post about the art. Dont get wrapped up specifically in this one area. Its not healthy. :D Best wishes Sifu Shawn

Hi there MrE2Me2, It seems I should make a few qualifying remarks, in light of recent posts. I would have done so earlier, but I've been without Web access for nearly two weeks now, and only got back online last night. That's the longest I've been offline in nearly 10 years! WOW, I can hardly believe it! LOL Anyway, since someone has mentioned the existence of apprentice BB's, I should say that Energy Lake had those as well, though they were not called as such, technically speaking. However, all of the persons I've recommended for this list are solid BB's, and not apprentice BB's. By the way, I need to make a name correction. I'm afraid I owe an apology to Mr. Costa. His first name is not Mario, but Julio. I rarely if ever addressed him by his first name, so I suppose I can forgive myself for making that error; which only dawned on me a couple of nights back! If you could make that correction to your list, I would greatly appreciate that! Thanks. As I mention elsewhere, Bob Richer was a 3rd degree BB. Mr. Hodgkinson claims himself to be a 'master' now, but I can't comment on that; though I can say for certain he was a solid BB before I left EL. Julio Costa was tested for his solid BB, and easily passed it, a couple months before my departure. Mr. Cunanan was a solid BB as well. Satyen Raja refers to himself as a 'master' these days, but I can't comment on that either. I do know he was scheduled for his solid BB test shortly before I left EL, and while I'm not sure about his 'mastery', I'm pretty sure he's a solid BB. Chris Chen was still an apprentice BB when I left the organization, but he was very close to his solid BB test. If you check Master Leishman's new website, you will see that Mr. Chen is still with him after all these years; and currently appears to be Master Leishman's "top-ranking instructor", so I'm certain he's a solid BB as well. In fact, I'd bet large money on it, I'm that sure!! For the record though, an apprentice BB in the 'old' EL System was a person who had taken their limited knowledge of "the System" to a BB level. What that means, at the very least, is that their form and timing was as good as a BB's, when demonstrating the basic keys (movements). They were never allowed to teach anything above their Black Belt level, however. In other words, if they had trained all the Blue Belt lessons to a Black Belt level of performance, then they could teach Blue Belt classes and below; but they were not allowed to teach Brown Belt class before they had their Brown Belt level trained to the Black Belt level of performance. Many kind regards, Yen Hui

Thanks Yen Hui, I have made the changes you mentioned. Although, most were there, a few were not. The Incomplete List (Please be advised that I shall be reposting the entire list when I receive updates.) The Mo Pai Kempo Kung fu Black Belt Family Tree House MPKKBBFTH for short. Hello Current Student, About your post: Have you have been keeping in regular contact with the people you mention? Have you been training with them regularly? If not, then how would you know what their skill level is today? With all due respect, this “Incomplete List” is for all Moh Black Belts. It is not just for those that you or someone else may deem worthy. My thanks go out to all who have helped, especially to Sifusblano for his contributions. They have been added but just so there is no mistake, here is a link. These people have been awarded their Black Belts under Master Ed O’Brien. http://www.linnk.com/kungfu/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=73 My thanks also go to DRShoalin for his contribution, as well. The Total (but incomplete) list in Alphabetical Order: A M. Andrews B M. Bagwell J. Baker E. Bateson L. Bateson J. Bell K. Bliss P. Brend M. Brescia A. Brookes E. Bruneau Mr. Buchanan J. Burkus C C. Charlton C. Chen K. Collinson Mr. Cooper K. Corbett J. Costa C. Chen J. Crawford G. Crossman N. Cumming M. Cunanan C. Cunningham D R. Del Coro (Mrs. Piercey) T. Demetrius J. Dhillon M. Dinh G. Dipalma Mr. Doiron J. Doran Mr. Dubois E F B. Friesen G D, Gage C. Giordano Mr. Godbu Mr. Goodman P. Grant N. Griffin H R. Hanly M. Harlaka D. Hawley M. Hilbig T. Higgs A. Hoare T. Hodgkinson B. Holland Mr. Horsburgh I R. Ippersiel M. Iurillo J J. Jacubowski R. Jones K B. Kitson L. Kitson J. Klym G. Kwan L D. Law M. Lambe B. Leishman C. Leboef Mr. Lumber M P. McAndrews D. MacDonald S. MacLaren Mr. McNeil J. Majola K. Makris M. Mandrusiak M. Marchionni A. Martel R. Mason Mr. Mathews Mr. Maxwell B. Monteilhet A. Moore H. Muller I. Munro H. Murray N O E. O’Brien P Mr. Palka Mr. Parnell S. Patterson Mr. Payton (Doctor Payton??) J. Pettigrew S. Pickett D. Piercey Q R S. Raja Mr. Rewega D. Ricard B. Richer R. Ritter M. Rizk J. Robertson Mr. Rork R. Rose Mr. Rosenburg S G. Sblano D. Sheer Mr. Sheppard R, Shergold Mr. Sigfuson R. Siochowicz D. Simon Mr. Simms M. Smith T. Sparrow C. Stevens Mr. Stevens or Stevenson (from cam) B. Stokowski D Swanstrom W. Szewczyk T C. Taylor L. Terlecki P. Terlecki D. Toutongui A. Thistleton W. Thomas M. Tonni Mr. Tooke T. Truscott U V W N. Wallace C. Walsh R. Warnstaff T. Weber R. White J. Wilkinson X Y Z Regards, MrE2Me2 Without prejudice E&OE

black belts currently training in Edmonton and Calgary
If you are going to keep a list, then you might as well acknowledge current black belts training in Calgary and Edmonton as well as those from the past that you have already mentioned. Anyone who has spent time in either the Calgary or Edmonton studios in the last decade will recongize the following names. Their dedication to, and ability with the style has now been rightfully acknowledged. Many have been training long and hard without recognition. By long and hard I mean regular and consistent training for well over ten years, and some even have well over twenty years to their credit. Their unwavering loyalty to Grandmaster Simon, the art, and their brothers and sisters on the mat has earned them a place in our hearts and should not be forgotten. Those of you who object to being on the list, I apologize to you for doing this but my repect for you demands that I at least let people know who you are, and thank you for your efforts over the years. Note: I am doing this from memory. I have trained in both studios and am pretty sure I know all the black belts. If my memory is mistaken or any names have been omitted, then please correct me. Calgary Master M Deholke (5th degree) Master M Parnell (5th degree) Mr G Crossman (3rd degree) Mr J Cooper (3rd degree) Mr G Nordhold Mr M Kossey Ms S Botcher Mr J Romao Edmonton Master B Bazinet (5th degree) Mr D Swanstrom (3rd degree) Mr T Demetrius (3rd degree) Mr D Huot Mr A Lungberg Mr S Rourke Mr R Das Mr W Witte Dr D Paton-Gay Mr D Wehinger Thank you for publishing this list.

Oops caught a spelling mistake already on the very first name. that should have been Master D Deholke. Sorry sir.

Thanks for the update... Welcome to the forum GrnSash! :)

Welcome to the forum Grn Sash. And thank you for the updates. I have included them in this most recent list. The Total (but incomplete) list in Alphabetical Order: A M. Andrews B M. Bagwell J. Baker E. Bateson L. Bateson B. Bazinet J. Bell K. Bliss S Botcher P. Brend M. Brescia A. Brookes E. Bruneau Mr. Buchanan J. Burkus C C. Charlton C. Chen K. Collinson J. Cooper K. Corbett J. Costa C. Chen J. Crawford G. Crossman N. Cumming M. Cunanan C. Cunningham D R. Das R. Del Coro (Mrs. Piercey) D Deholke T. Demetrius J. Dhillon M. Dinh G. Dipalma Mr. Doiron J. Doran Mr. Dubois E F B. Friesen G D, Gage C. Giordano Mr. Godbu Mr. Goodman P. Grant N. Griffin H R. Hanly M. Harlaka D. Hawley M. Hilbig T. Higgs A. Hoare T. Hodgkinson B. Holland Mr. Horsburgh D. Huot I R. Ippersiel M. Iurillo J J. Jacubowski R. Jones K B. Kitson L. Kitson J. Klym M Kossey G. Kwan L D. Law M. Lambe B. Leishman C. Leboef A. Ljungberg M P. McAndrews D. MacDonald S. MacLaren Mr. McNeil J. Majola K. Makris M. Mandrusiak M. Marchionni A. Martel R. Mason Mr. Mathews Mr. Maxwell B. Monteilhet A. Moore H. Muller I. Munro H. Murray N G Nordhold O E. O’Brien P Mr. Palka M Parnell (5th degree) S. Patterson D. Paton-Gay J. Pettigrew S. Pickett D. Piercey Q R S. Raja Mr. Rewega D. Ricard B. Richer R. Ritter M. Rizk J. Robertson J. Romao S Rourke R. Rose Mr. Rosenburg S G. Sblano D. Sheer Mr. Sheppard R, Shergold Mr. Sigfuson R. Siochowicz D. Simon Mr. Simms M. Smith T. Sparrow C. Stevens Mr. Stevens or Stevenson (from cam) B. Stokowski D Swanstrom W. Szewczyk T C. Taylor L. Terlecki P. Terlecki D. Toutongui A. Thistleton W. Thomas M. Tonni Mr. Tooke T. Truscott U V W N. Wallace C. Walsh R. Warnstaff T. Weber D. Wehinger R. White J. Wilkinson W. Witte X Y Z Regards, MrE2Me2 Without prejudice E&OE

Thank you. A couple of spelling corrections. Please change M Deholke to D Deholke. Please change A Lungberg to A Ljungberg. Please remove Mr Lumber, I think that was just a mispronounciation of Mr Ljungberg. Sorry about the errors. As I said, I'm doing this from memory. My memory is very good, but it isn't perfect.

Hello Grn Sash, I have made the corrections. Thank you for your input…again :-D I have a bad memory too. If I don’t write it down, I have a very hard time remembering it. Regards, MrE2Me2

Hey Mystery, Couple more names that I remembered from the calgary studios; Mr Desautels Mr Plunkett You also have R. Rose written down where as I dont think he got his black belt, I think it should read M. Rose who was the brother who was a chief instructor. (I am pretty sure but if I am wrong please correct me) There is one from spokane that I remember from going to the temple land weekends, a native fellow who I think is named Mr Ensminger. Maybe Grasshopper can help confirm that because I am not a hundred percent on the spelling of the last name. Also there is two of the instructors from seattle Mr Keu and Mr J. Walsh both have been there for quite a long time and I know at the very least were black belts back in 2001 thanks Swollenknuck

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