Statements from the current "Masters":
As most of you know, this site was a reaction to the unmoderated garbage-dump of a forum on Network54. Unable to shut this forum down, the current masters resorted to spamming the forum... as they lurked there however, they couldn't help but respond - in a sense - to some of the charges being levelled at them. They have posted a further statement, in which I think they make some pretty outrageous statements. Their message appears as follows: You can’t goat us into a childish debate session on this un-moderated forum so your only result is to try and misrepresent us and falsify some stupid comments using our name and “Repeated Response” to which you then you proceed to engage in your own debate session. That just doesn’t speak well for your mental stability. Obviously, you have reached the point of frustration. This is another perfect example of the mentality and conduct of the last few people still hanging on to this forum. Said individuals have no real interest in any genuine answers; their only goal is misguided vindictiveness. Our guess is that they are more than likely part of the old problems that the TKF Organization encountered and had an active hand in creating the mess that we have had to clean up. If they had any legitimate questions they would have called us as many have. However, these individuals simply don’t have the quality of character to partake in that action. No, they would rather try and goat us into their juvenile games. We have tried to be open and polite in providing a letter of explanation for former students and instructors with an invitation of consideration to them. The only direction of these individuals is underhandedness, immaturity, and cowardice, simply put - They are punks and agitator with some real hang-ups. They are the perfect example of someone that once slipped through the cracks in our system and should have never been allowed to even start at one of our Studios in the first place…and hopefully they do not bring their issues to place and train somewhere else. Their conduct is that of a schoolyard bully. It really comes down to a basic concept that we teach to our kids classes - don’t play the bullies game because there only a coward looking for attention. At least the 12 year old schoolyard bully doesn’t hide or fabricate who they are. That all being said…does anyone seriously still wonder why we will not answer questions on this medium? It would only be answers to questions from people with a unstable mentality and personal agenda looking to construct as much misfortune towards us as they can. Thus, deriving some kind of pleasure from that sickness. The lack of basic respect on this forum speaks volumes for those that continue it’s negative theme. More so, an individual misrepresenting themselves as “Temple Kung Fu” opens the door for God only knows what under our name. Any reasonable person will realize this and recognize why we have chosen the manner of rebuttal that we have. After all, how do you logically converse with those that chose to conduct themselves with only profanity and personal insults? You will know an unofficial response using the Temple Kung Fu name because it will no doubt have the same unreasonable punk attitude to it that has been demonstrated today. From now on our only response on this forum will come as our full letter or our “Repeated Response” with the only message title being “We are not playing your juvenile game.”….so once again…and again…and again… The first statement, where they pass the buck: "Our guess is that they are more than likely part of the old problems that the TKF Organization encountered and had an active hand in creating the mess that we have had to clean up." Do they really think anyone buys that it's all Weber's fault...? I'm no Weber fan, but come'on... Here is another one: "They are punks and agitator with some real hang-ups. They are the perfect example of someone that once slipped through the cracks in our system and should have never been allowed to even start at one of our Studios in the first place…and hopefully they do not bring their issues to place and train somewhere else. Would you guys agree with that characterization of those who looked for straight answers regarding the truth of Simon's statements? "At least the 12 year old schoolyard bully doesn’t hide or fabricate who they are." Simon has both hidden from the scandal surrounding him and fabricated who he is....! And finally here is the rationale that the current representatives of Temple Kung Fu have chosen to give as a reason not to reveal the truth about Simon's history: "It would only be answers to questions from people with a unstable mentality and personal agenda looking to construct as much misfortune towards us as they can. Thus, deriving some kind of pleasure from that sickness." Sounds a little paranoid to me - more likely people want answers because they feel like they've been deceived--bilked out of money and time under false pretenses. Is this an effective way for TKF to respond to the charges against them? IS there an effective way?

I voted niether... as I created this forum I think my opinion on this issue is fairly clear. Question regarding polls? There are several polls on this website, and they are for the most part set to run indefinately, however I don't think this is the case as most only have a few votes on them. I suspect they "expire" after a week or so. Can anyone who has NOT voted on all or some of the existing polls and are presently unable to vote, let me know if this is the case. thanks.

The poll was just an afterthought anyhow. I don't mind getting rid of it if it's a pain.

No, I like the polls... But it seems like a lot of people don't bother to vote, so I just want to make sure they are working properly. There are 26 users on this forum, but the most votes any poll has is 9. The "Is Charles Manson in Canada" poll you started only has 3 votes?! Maybe people are afraid to touch the subjects? I was hoping the polls might prompt people to register, even if they did not want have anything to say, the may still fell compelled to vote. The larger the voting pool, the more accurate a feeling we could get on what people really think about all this...

Heheh - I only posted that poll about Manson being in Canada because it was such an obtuse and hilarious question to put on the cover of ToHellWithCanada.... :)

"Do they really think anyone buys that it's all Weber's fault...? I'm no Weber fan, but come'on..." Don't even get me started on this. I can't say it was "all" Weber's fault, but I know for certain that a million things were. If you think that Weber was totally innocent and that it's all Simon's fault, you're extremely naive. "Would you guys agree with characterization of those who looked for straight answers regarding the truth of Simon's statements?" That forum is 95% insults. Very few actually care about answers. You can tell that by the sarcastic and insulting tone in which the questions are usually phrased. I think "punks", "agitators", and "DrunkenMonkeys" (sorry, couldn't resist that one, no offence intended :) are quite mild characterizations of many who post on that forum. "Simon has both hidden from the scandal surrounding him and fabricated who he is....!" You know exactly who Simon is. Whatever truth or fiction about his past he has stated can be analyzed and compared to history. But what about the statements "anonymous" posters make? There is no shred of accountability whatsoever. Nothing they say can be believed, since no one has any idea who they are at all. "Sounds a little paranoid to me - more likely people want answers because they feel like they've been deceived--bilked out of money and time under false pretenses." No, many on that forum have explicitly stated that they're there in order to bring down TKF. If somebody really wanted answers, they would call. Even if they believed they would only get fed BS, they would still call, since it doesn't hurt to try, and since they can't get answers any other way. "Is an effective way for TKF to respond to the charges against them?" On that "garbage-dump", I believe it is. I never post anything there myself. It's a complete waste of time. The spam has pretty much achieved its objective: it has driven almost everybody reasonable away from that forum. Everyone who wanted to have an open and balanced discussion has come over to this one. (BTW, there has been at least one person who has started training with TKF because they had come across that forum, wondered what all the fuss was about, and decided to check it out.)

Why would anyone call when they are going to fed BS?

Especially when they can get the exact same BS from Vortexx right here! LOL.

"Why would anyone call when they are going to fed BS?" If someone truly wanted answers they would collect them from every possible source. It doesn't hurt to call. Whatever answer they do get is better than nothing at all (which is what they're getting right now). If someone asks a question of TKF and knows in advance that everything they might possibly say is going to be BS, than what's the point of asking? They've passed judgement on someone they've never even met, about a studio they've never seen, without hearing them out.

You have illustrated perfectly why TKF refrains from being dragged into onlin debates in these forums. You guys take these posts and litterally pick them apart line by line like you have done here, inserting your comments ridiculing each response. If you really want clairification on what was said there do as they suggest and give them a call. Others that have done so such as Grasshopper have stated they are very forthcoming. Do you really expect to get better clairification here from people with no involvement in the current TKF or the people who wrote the message?

I don't think too many people blame Webber for creating a mess for any other reason than he didn't take any action to change things. Webber pretty much went with the status quo that was established by Piercy. Those ways of doing things needed to change and Webber was not confident enough to do anything but say the course. Even when it was obvious that his ship was sinking he would take no action. He just basically closed his eyes and prayed everything would work itself out, we know how that turned out.

I don't think that anyone expects answers anymore. The questions were asked a few years ago and were answered. Answered by people who now distance themselves from the tkf organization. OLaf, the only man who could answer these questions is apparently above it all, no doubt working on some new style reserved for only the most true of disciples! At least this board is moderated, and it has proven itself more interesting then the previous sites.

To all, Sometimes just opening a polite conversation can be a forward step. As I posted earlier, I went to see Master Terlecki after 20 years. The last time I had seen him we were not on the best of terms. Yet when I stepped forward, so did he. Now this isn't always the case. Mr. K. hung up on me when I called him a second time. And I was once very rude to a Master, myself. :oops: But if we can get past these faux pas, we will be better for it. Sometimes just asking hard questions can clear the air. (Even if they aren't answered.) Regards, MrE2Me2