TKF_PHS "Moh style wants the same respect as the traditional arts. The traditional arts earned the respect. They don't hide behind secrecy, lies, lack of integrity and "pseudo sparring"" I believe is what you typed. I have to wonder if TKF_PHS is your birth name or a pseudo name to hide behind in secrecy. And announcing your real name now would be silly. And i still doubt that all of your training in moh was a waste of time. Like I say 17 years of total training minus 11 of useless (TKF)training leaves you with 6 years of useful training at best. I doubt that is the case. At least I hope that is not the case. Seems most of the people posting here have more then 6 years of useful training under there belts. And P.S. my mistake with the knife fighting. I misunderstood your point.However I would like you to reread my last post . shawn

Hello Sifu Shawn, 1. You posted, “Master Trevor Higgs is a certified and recognized Master with the Alberta Kung Fu association ( that is official Hong Kong Certification). Just in case you are wondering about his credibilty or those of us who are of his lineage in the moh kempo system.” Thanks for the update on Master Higgs. 2. You posted, “I have an opportunity to represent Canada in Manilla in the fall of 2007 for the Bakbakan world championships.” Good Luck with that! 3. You posted, “I am an advocate for MMA...the more well rounded you are the more likely you are to survive.” I agree. 4. You also posted, “The problem with MMA is...a huge loss in the area of respect.” I would agree, with the following proviso, The up and comers are the trash talkers, so are the competitors on the T.V. series. But I do not see disrespect among their title holders, nor from their president, Dana White. Regards, MrE2Me2

Mr E2me2, I will exept your proviso, on the respect area in MMA. The up an comers are the trash talkers. The fact that it is broadcast to millions however, is giving the idea that trash talk is okay. in a world where kids have less repect for anyone or anything then ever before however I think this is a bad thing. If martial arts heads in that direction(with trash talk being okay i mean) in the next 50 years , where will kids go to learn discipline and respect?????????? sifu shawn

Sifu Shawn, You have a valid point there. It is one that troubles me greatly. One the one hand, In the past, There have always been those who trash talk. Ones who have poor self descipline, Even when they have great arhletic ability. And either, A senior student or teacher who would put a stop to this. Or they would grow up and smarten up. On the other hand, Today, I don't see the title holders trash talking. None the less, Tolerance of inappropriate behavior, Leads to more inappropriate behavior. What I'd like to see, is these title holders take action. I'd like to see a stronger stance against trash talk. And I'd like to see it enforced. But how exactly, I'm not quite sure. Ideas? Regards, MrE2Me2

Sifu Shawn, To answer your question I did learn something in my 11 years of training. I learned that everything useful could have been taught to me in about 7 months. I learned that TKF would adequately help me defend myself against a schmoo off the street but would get me killed against a pretty good fighter. I now live in Toronto and the first 3 schools I encountered was way more superior than anything TKF could put together. I went to a club in Winnipeg that taught me more about striking in 6 months than I have ever learned in TKF. They were teaching moves as a white belt that I saw when I hit PHS. I learned that I wasted about 10 years of training at TKF, LOL!

Sifu Shawn, Congratulations on your "opportunity to represent Canada in Manilla in the fall of 2007 for the Bakbakan world championships." I do hope that you do well. Where did you learn the Filipino Arts?

TKF_PHS Thats to bad you feel that way about TKF. I guess, however, I learned Moo kempo from someone who had already parted paths from Simons Kung Fu. So I honestly had no TKF experience. And I wont waste a lot of time trying to convince you of anything in regards to the kempo. I do agree it is limited. my club has spent 30+ years competing and expanding our system. I think all arts lack. Moo kempo is a basic art. Thanks for asking about the filipino arts. I train at an Illustrisimo Academy in Alberta. It incorporates, weapon to open-hand translations, grappling(dumog), trapping etc. I have only been involved with filipino arts for about 4 years. Its kind of a new passion of mine. shawn

Sifu Shawn, Agreed...all arts lack something. That's why we cross train. You won't be changing my opinion of Moh Kempo in the near future and I won't be changing yours either. The point is that we have found what best fits us now and that we are happy with the progression of our training. Nothing wrong with a little thought provoking discussion in a public forum. I looked up your Academy in Alberta. Sounds hardcore. Would love to train there sometime.

TKF_PHS Definately no harm in thought provoking discussion on a public forum. And anytime you are in alberta you are welcome to look up the Kali Academy and do some training, it is cool to learn filipino arts from filipino instructors. shawn

"You guys train harder than UFC but no injuries and no one has been knocked out. I seriously doubt that you guys hit full impact to the head, actually try and take out someone's knees, elbow to the head, try and knock teeth out etc." Of course not. We train smart, not brutal. Our sparring is more realistic in terms of the targets we go for rather than in terms of the amount of contact we make. "They are pushed by their competition to raise the level of their game." Competition is one of many motivating forces. People get better not from the actual tournament, but from practicing. I know of many excellent sportsmen who don't compete. They are motivated by the shear love of the sport, and they are disciplined enough to maintain a rigorous practice schedule. They may not be the best in the world, but hey, I'm not trying to become the world's best martial artist either. I just want to have a reasonable chance of being able to defend myself on the street if I need to, that's all. "FBI statistics show that the majority of inmates have little formal fight training." But on the other hand, there are often several attackers and they often have knives, chains, baseball bats, etc. You are caught in a dark unknown alley, often by surprise, with uneven ground and obstacles everywhere in your way. You are wearing tight clothing and bulky shoes. Even if the individual attackers are not very well trained, in such a situation the lot of them will have a tremendous advantage. Many very skilled tournament fighters have been wasted on the street. "I was not aware that there were tournaments that TKF has entered that were more hardcore than MMA NHB." I believe no one has died in UFC. I heard that people have actually died in some of the tournaments that GMS or his students were involved in. "I learned that I wasted about 10 years of training at TKF" You said you worked for 6 years as a cop and over 5 years in the military. If your police and military training were so superior, how come you stayed with TKF for 11 years?

"I was not aware that there were tournaments that TKF has entered that were more hardcore than MMA NHB." - TKF_PHS Rebuttal from Vortexx: "I believe no one has died in UFC. I heard that people have actually died in some of the tournaments that GMS or his students were involved in." - Vortexx Well you want me to take you seriously but you throw out a statement like that. You are implying that multiple competitors have died in multiple competitions that GMS or his students were involved in? BAHAHAHAHA! ROFL! I think that it is possible but that perhaps an individual that died probably had a pre-existing medical condition and coincidentally died at the tournament or that the pre-existing medical condition was exascerbated by an injury sustained at the tournament. You are trying to make me believe that the fighting was so brutal and violent that people were being put in body bags at multiple tournaments. Right here in North America. Are these some of the rumours flying around the locker room of your school? Has anyone else heard these rumours? Do you believe them too? "You said you worked for 6 years as a cop and over 5 years in the military. If your police and military training were so superior, how come you stayed with TKF for 11 years?" - Vortexx I was young and did not know any better. GMS got his claws into me when I was a young teenager. I got out after I finished University and started to realize what garbage TKF really was.

Hello TKF_PHS, Just so I am clear here. You posted that TKF "was garbage". Are you refering to the art of Moh? or Are you refering to the old business model? or Are you refering to both? Regards, MrE2Me2

"I believe no one has died in UFC. I heard that people have actually died in some of the tournaments that GMS or his students were involved in." - Vortexx Has anyone else heard of this? If so, please tell us all about it. Does anyone know how many body bags were filled in these tournaments? Did any TKF Masters accidently kill an opponent or two with a well placed strike?

Hello to all, I was just passing by and thought I'd add my two cents. I have NOT heard this about of Olaf and death matches. I have heard a nasty (and unture) rumor, that someone died during an early U.F.C. match. My take on "Death Matches". In my training, repetition and learning from my mistakes make for progress. It is real hard for one to come back and train or compete when they are DEAD. Regards, MrE2Me2

I posted, "It is real hard for one to come back and train or compete when they are DEAD. " Uh, that was my attempt at humour.