Scenario Quiz
I figured i'd post a quiz of sorts explaining some scenarios and see how people answer the questions. I also already have answers so if nobody replies or after a few days i'll put my answers on here. Of course there are always going to be many ways out of a scenario so the only answer that is incorrect is the one that wouldn't work at all. ;) Enjoy! 1) Explain a good way to escape from a Full Nelson when the attacker has pulled you to the ground on top of him, thus he is laying under you yet is holding you in a Full Nelson. 2) You are laying on your back pinned to the ground with an attacker placing both his knees over your bicepts thus pinning your elbows to the ground while sitting high on your chest. He is raised high and preparing to drop onto your undefended face with a punch or elbow. How do you prevent the punch/elbow and how do you escape from the situation? 3) An attacker comes towards you with chain punches and a raised knee to defend. (Pointed knee technique) There is little room to maneuver as the attacker is already in striking range. How do you overcome his chain punches and counter the technique? We will start with those 3 and see what sort of response we get. I expect Mre2me2 to reply at the very least. ;)

Hello North, I like your topic! You posted, “1) Explain a good way to escape from a Full Nelson when the attacker has pulled you to the ground on top of him, thus he is laying under you yet is holding you in a Full Nelson.” First, Grip your hands together palm to palm and press against your won forehead to negate the pressure on your neck. Next, brace your feet on the ground outside and beside the attacker, in an attempt to stabilize your position. Then pummel him. First, with your hips into his pelvic region, then use one heel against his leg or groin. Take the initiative away from him, as well, his stable base from which to exert pressure on your neck. You posted, “2) You are laying on your back pinned to the ground with an attacker placing both his knees over your bicepts thus pinning your elbows to the ground while sitting high on your chest. He is raised high and preparing to drop onto your undefended face with a punch or elbow. How do you prevent the punch/elbow and how do you escape from the situation?” Actually been here and done this when I was younger. I was limber enough, quick enough and lucky enough to raise my legs up and snag my attackers throat from behind with my heels. I pulled them down off of me and ran like hell. Today, not being as limber, I’d alternate between kneeing them in the back and arching my own back and kneeing them from behind in order to keep them off balance. The idea would be to hurt them badly enough to disable them. Failing that, I’d want to get into a position where I could hit them hard enough to disable them. You posted, “3) An attacker comes towards you with chain punches and a raised knee to defend. (Pointed knee technique) There is little room to maneuver as the attacker is already in striking range. How do you overcome his chain punches and counter the technique?” I used this when I was in high school where my friend from Texas called it “Mexican Street Fighting”. I don’t know how accurate that is but that is what he said, and it worked. We used to practice this in the old Edmonton studio. On my green belt test I used this to bloody my partner’s nose. But it was even because a couple of minutes before, he blocked my kick with his elbow and that almost ended my test (it hurt soo bad!!!). To defend against it, I’d start with one of three things. I’d kick him in the side of his pointed knee with a roundhouse kick. Or, angling in and slightly past the momentum of his pointed knee; I’d simultaneously block and counter punch against one of his chain punches. Or, I’d start with a “Hidden Distance Punch” to break up the momentum of his attack. It’s likely I’d get hit by a portion of the knee and a couple of his punches, if I was even the smallest bit off. So it would behoove me to be prepared for this and minimize their effectiveness while making sure my own attack was hard enough to incapacitate the guy. The one thing I would not be able to do is retreat. Fleeing or simply defending would be a very bad thing that could leave me maimed, crippled or dead. I’d just have to realize that this situation is a deadly serious one in which my attacker could easily hurt me way beyond what he /she might have intended to. After all, there is no place to go and they would have all the time in the world to get past any defense I might set up. No, no, offensive maneuvers would be the only way to go. Regards, MrE2Me2 p.s, I’m looking forward to reading what others would do.

Nice answers :) I actually have completely different ones so it will be neat to see what else we get here. I hope someone else will post on this and give us more insight into how we all use the art differently.

1) If it is in a street fight I would try to drop my head down slightly so the attacker pressure lets off a bit then a quick reverse head bunt. If I was grappling, I would relax the neck and arms and try to manouver my lower torso on to my hip to try and get my upper body the torsion to rotate which would put me facing him. Still not a good position as if is still holding on is on the floor in a guard position, but allows more opportunity for striking him on the mat. 2. Arc the hips and back and slide arm up to the side of the head. The arching is to try and get him slightly unstable to be able to slide the one arm out. To defend once the arm is free cover side of the face with arm and elbow and tuck the chin into the chest raising the free arm's shoulder off the ground to get into your chest. Now try to move on to one hip and with the other foot try to slide up to at least get into a guard position. 3. This one I have actually tested in class. I'll have to use wing chun terms as I don't know what the translation is to english. Heel shift in the direction the force is going, triangle step into the opponent simultaneously use Pi kue with one hand. Now I am in a position angling into him where his punching direction is not in my direction. From my hand that is doing the Pi Kue drop it to gum sau if things went well I'll have both of his hands trapped, if not I would heel shift again and with opposite hand use the jum sau low gan da, now I am in a better direction to strike with the opponent off at an angle, my centre line covered with his arms tied now I can proceed with my chain punching. It's a little hard to write what you plan on doing, I am finding myself doing a little renactments.

Very nice answers as well Pak Sao. Your answer to #3 is very similar to the one I have and in fact slightly more complex in technique. I really liked reading that answer and picturing it. I decided alot of our non-Wing Chun friends might not be able to understand the Wing Chun terms so I will do a crude translation to the best of my ability to help them picture it. Pi kue= A open handed hook (Similar to the hand position in poisonous snakes) Gum Sau= The hand pins (In this case likely both arms against each other) Jum Sao= A sinking block Gan da= simultaneous low sweeping block with a punch

Ok, i'll post my "answers" now. 1)The full Nelson on the ground: Place the elbow of your weaker arm into your solar plexes and the heel of the palm against your forehead. This creates a brace that prevents them from breaking your neck with pressure. (Similar to Mre2me2's example only it uses 1 hand.) Your stronger hand reaches back and locates his hands on the back of your neck. Grab a pinky finger and break it. If he doesn't release you can keep going down the line and break more fingers. If by some miracle they do not let go by the time you break 8 fingers they simply won't be able to maintain the hold. (Who is going to let you break all their fingers anyhow?) 2) Pinned with them sitting on your chest: This combination of techniques must be done instantly and simultaneously. Pick a side to roll them to. They are sitting on your chest and your body is much like a log. If it rolls they have to sprawl a limb to that direction or they will topple. Your arms are pinned under their shins/knees so you cannot move them but they are already in the position you need to pull off the roll. Form a monkey paw on the side you intend to roll them to and hook their calf enough to prevent that leg from sprawling out when you unbalance them. Plant the opposite sides foot flat on the ground, and the palm of the opposit hand flat on the ground. Bridge the bodyup into the air but only the side opposite to the direction you wish to roll them. They cannot sprawl with their leg so they will have to abandon their attack and use their hand to try to stop the roll. Unfortunately for them the roll will still get their center of gravity off of your own and as they fall their groin area will open up allowing the hand that pushed off the ground to strike directly into the groin. Furthermore their body position screens them from seeing this strike so you will get them every time. (We train this technique alot in my school and it works beautifully no matter how big your opponant is.) 3) Defense against pointed knee. Like Pak Sao said you have no choice but to push forward. You can triangle step slightly to the side or you can lift your knee and drive into them. (You will want to be cautious about their lifted knee turning into a front kick if you don't protect yourself.) To counter the chain punches you simply chain punch back at him but do so at an almost completely horizontal angle. As the defender you get to choose when to begin your defense thus you can counter his attacks and strike him. (This principle is the exact same one as the defense against elbows where Elbows #1 and #4 counter each other.) Your chain punches will knock aside his chain punches and carry through allowing you to strike into the jaw or temple of the attacker. A further note about defenses against techniques such as Pointed Knee: If you mirror your opponant and copy their attack it will generally cancel out anything you are unfamiliar with. If a person delivers a helmet crusher for example, and you mirror the technique your arms will tangle or collide but the attack will not penetrate and strike. Of course this is all theoretical; in reality a helmet crusher is very fast and too complex to mirror unless you know there is a lead hand and following had ahead of time. But a pointed knee technique can be countered with a pointed knee technique. It can be overcome and defeated by a pointed knee technique with horizontal strikes instead of vertical. Kung Fu is a very interesting "chess match" in that there are many ways to overcome each attack you might be faced with. I like the the PHS mentality of countering his attack and hitting him all in one motion rather than a black followed by a strike, or using both arms to block/strike simultaneously. An often neglected fact of Kung Fu is that every strike is a block and every block is a strike. If one takes a High Rising block and extends it forward far enough to punch a person on the nose it will block their attack as well as strike them. (Pull that strike back with the thumb side down and chamber it beside your temple and you have a nice set up for a PHS punch. Deliver a vertical strike from that high chamber position and you are using stronger muscles to get the snap in your strike.) Anyhow, thanks for the responses Mre2me2 and Pak Sao. Anyone else reading this is by all means free to post more counters to the above scenarios.