Moo kempo Techniques Hello all,
I thought I would through out a couple of Moo kempo techniques into the mix. I will post more in the days to come.
These two techniques are techniques that were taught to me from Master Trevor Higgs. The names of the techniques are sometimes something I have made up to give myself or students something to associate the teachnique with for memorization purposes.
The first one is called the windmill technique
It is desingned as a defense against a Right Front Kick, Left Reverse Punch, Right Lead punch combination.
The link is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWO9ozDGSr4
The second technique is designed as a drill to train against 2 attackers, but realistically, could be broken down into 2 seperate techniques. However this is the way it was taught to me by Master Trevor Higgs, and for posterity reasons and out of respect for his teachings , I choose not to alter it.
This link is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpaFP9YnW_Y
sifu shawn
MrE2Me2- 09-25-2006
Hello Sifu Shawn,
Very Nice!
Very Cool!
Very, Very Quick!
Regards, MrE2Me2
Crazy!
Sifu Shawn's 18 temple motions had some subtle differences from the one I learned but MrE2Me2 Hung 1-2-3 were much more different.
Hung 3 was almost a completely different form.
Thanks for sharing he vids guys.
Sifu shawn- 09-27-2006
North,
In case you are reading this,
I am going to post on the "HUNG" thread over the next couple of days. Just curious what major differences you see in Mr. E2Me2's forms over the way you learned them.
I will post some of the differences I see between the way I have been doing them and the way Mr E2Me2 does them. I hope to post some vids of me doing HUNG 1 2 and 3 as well in the next week or so.
And of course I want you to keep in mind, anything said is meant only to be of an analytical nature, not of a critical nature. The kempo froms were taught different ways at different times by different people. I am curious from a research point of view to see what the differences are. It would be neat to be able to figure out if the whole of the kempo forms changed simultaneously at certain points in Moo history ( which is unlikely, because that would have to mean the changes were made deliberatly, and as a corporate decision) or ( and this is the most likley reason) if it was done by certain clubs, ie instructors , at certain times. Not that it matters, I am just curious about Moo kempo in all aspects: Technique and History of the ART.
sifu shawn
MrE2Me2- 09-27-2006
To All,
North posted, “Crazy! “
And Sifu Shawn posted, “I am just curious about Moo kempo in all aspects:”
Yeah! I Definitely Hear That!
Here is a basic offensive combination from me:
A slide in side kick with backfist follow up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lCtQ3FkNkU
(When I was originally taught this, I was taught the side kick worked better as a fake.)
Regards, MrE2Me2
Sifu shawn- 09-28-2006
Mr. E2Me2
(When I was originally taught this, I was taught the side kick worked better as a fake.)
Probably a good example of the Moo Kempo "Long before short" concept
sifu shawn
MrE2Me2- 09-28-2006
Hello Sifu Shawn,
Yes, it is an excellent example of the “Long Before Short” concept.
So is the Roundhouse Kick with Backfist demonstrated here by my friend, Kurt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxaUWPa05hQ
Regards, MrE2Me2
North- 09-29-2006
One of the differences is in how the body moves. The older version seems harder. This forum's webpage has one that shows a mixing of the hung forms. They were sort of garbled together when demonstrated. or the student made massive errors. *shrugs*
Anyhow the fluidity and deeper lunging stances seemed to pop up in later years. More of a Kung Fu way of moving, less of a Karate way. Something I have observed.
MrE2Me2- 09-30-2006
Hello North,
I believe that the forum’s demo vids of hung that you are referring to is just that.
It is a demonstration of hung movements.
And from what I understand now,
Today’s TKF has gone back to the original form for demos.
When I learned Hung, I learned it as an incredibly hard form.
The rule I was taught, was to totally commit to the form.
“Hung done once meant you were done for the day.”
What were you taught for Hung?
Regards, MrE2Me2
North- 09-30-2006
I was also taught it as a harder from but more focus was put on the technique. I learned it as an instructor though so it was a different style of learning. I was supposed to be able to teach it to the brown belts accurately, but I totally didn't understand the form at the time. Not like I do now anyhow.
to my current understanding of Hung it is a strong form to be used in an aggressive mannor. Horse stances are utilized to push opponants as are arm position. The arm across the opponants body can force him to be square shouldered with you while you are inside his center leaving him no proper techniqued strikes he can deliver. (I like that part)
Alot of movements are pulling on limbs to propel you into another attacker or to strike an attacker being forced back. Like pushing him then grabbing on to pull yourself in for another hit using the momentum of your own push to grant additional power for your next strike. it also jerks the opponants head forward so that they see in a blur from the motion and cannot retaliate with visual accuracy.
Hung is great for bigger and stronger individuals when used like bulldozer.
For smaller people it would be used more to get ahold of elbows and lift them then move into the safe spots beside and under the arm to strike. So the movements can be used by smaller people also, however it's not it's advantage area. It is truly a very good way of fighting for stronger men.
It certainly is southern in flavor though. Almost all the TKF stuff is southern. I like the intricate hand movements of northern styles, but southern stuff is generally practical and not hard to figure out the applications so it works.
In Hung 2 the kick and punch after the rolling backfist nearthe start were taught to me as striking together at the same time, right snapkick with a left vertical punch.
I have seen that same punch kick combination in many many stlyes of Kung Fu both northern and southern.
MrE2Me2- 10-02-2006
Hello Sifu Shawn,
If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, consider yourself flattered.
I liked your Kempo moves so much, I filmed them.
Sifu Shawn’s Windmill Defense
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4X4Wd3IJjg
Sifu Shawn’s Multiple Attacker Defense
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JPf4RHVdZ8
Seriously, if you want me to remove them, just say the word.
(No reason is necessary.)
Regards, MrE2Me2
MrE2Me2- 10-02-2006
Hello North,
Thank you for the input on the hung forms.
I did know about the aggressive and powerful like-a-bulldozer approach.
I did NOT know about the southern kung fu flavor, however.
I changed the timing of the punch and kick in Hung 2.
I never saw it used and the theory just did not make it for me.
I could see punching someone and kicking them as they moved back.
So that is the way I do it.
Regards, MrE2Me2
Sifu shawn- 10-02-2006
MrE2Me2,
I am flattered. No need to take them off either.
I am hoping (and I have my fingers crossed) that I am going to have time tonight at my club to film a bit more. I am hoping Forms and a few techniques with a partner....
I still get a total kick out of this you tube thing..
to much fun.
sifu shawn