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North- 01-07-2007
Grados Wing Chun site
http://www.sifugrados.com/ A great site with alot of clips from the Wing Chun style.

Pak Sau- 01-08-2007
Forms?
Great Site, We practise a lot of these techniques, one thing I have noticed (thanks to you tube) is that there seems to be a lot of difference's in forms while the basic techniques are the same. I have seen on the web William Cheung doing SLT, CK, and BJ, and the Baatt Jaamm Do, and they look very different than our style of Wing Chun. My Sifu's lineage, as William Cheung's goes back to Yip Man, so why the difference, was it to make it look more flashy? I have seen the Yip Man vids on youtube, and our style is exactly the same. Has any changed Simon's kempo forms? I have seen a vid of Sifu Shawn added to the form and it looked pretty darn good.

North- 01-08-2007

William Cheung was the last student of Yip Man and after Yip Man died he suddenly claimed that Yip Man entrusted him with the true secret Wing Chun and the other Wing Chun styles were in fact false. Needless to say this caused some tension. Leung Ting, Augustine Fong and even Yip Man's eldest son all taught the "other" style of Wing Chun which was apparently a complete fraud. Conveniently Yip Man was dead so nobody could just go get a straight answer. Emin Boztepe a Master in the Leung Ting system of Wing Chun went and beat up William Cheung to prove a point. I studied the Yip Chun/Augustine Fong/Leung Ting system of Wing Chun. I have had alot of oppertunity to see the William Cheung forms and style and I will tell you my opinion: William added in some flashy moves to make his style look superior but ultimately didn't remove any of the other content. Moves may be mixed up in order and kicks or flashy flourishes are added in but they are the same forms. The dummy form is borderline identical save an elbow strike or two mixed in. The Butterfly Swords form (BJD) is the most remarkably different of all the forms. William Cheumg's version has some Hung Gar and Shaolin motions from their sword forms mixed in. I think he decided to abandon most of the conventional practices of the BJD form and reinvent it. In the end the style is the same. Protect the centerline, jam (Pak Sao) instead of sweep, deflect and attack simultaneously, Chi Sao is the foundation of both. It is unfortunate that stupidity had to create a rift in the style but I have noticed a long time ago that alot of utter retards are drawn to the martial arts. That seems to be why we get so many wierdos and people willing to fight one another over the most easily ignored and mundane things. Sad really.

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