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North- 01-07-2007
Da Hong Boxing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj2WNh66tro This is a clip of Shi De Yang, the head warrior monk of the Shaolin temple in China. It is an older video, I would guess 10-15 years or more.

MrE2Me2- 01-08-2007

Hello North, That is a very interesting clip. You mention that he is older now. Do you have any recent clips of him? By the way, thanks for sharing. Regards, MrE2Me2

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MrE2Me2- 01-09-2007

Hello North, Thanks for your efforts here. I notice that politics plays a part in this version of kung fu too. It is a shame really. Regards, MrE2Me2

North- 01-14-2007

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MrE2Me2- 01-15-2007

Hello North, First off, let me start by saying that this guy is just amazing! I quite enjoyed watching his lightness and power mix with his agility and speed. All that being said; if this is all I could train today…I wouldn’t be able to train at all. He moves in a way I am unable to duplicate. I am very pleased that you have shown this but I have a couple of questions, as well. I notice he uses a low back stance in several instances. Is there an alternative for those with less flex? I notice, also that the form seems to be straight line forward with 180 degree turn. Is this the primary concept of moving in for an attack in this style? (I mean no disrespect, my questions are quite serious.) Regards, MrE2Me2

North- 01-15-2007

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MrE2Me2- 01-17-2007

Hello North, You posted, “One of my students has a groin muscle injury preventing her from doing low back stances. She trains using a high back stance instead.” I have found that if I shorten my stances to ¾’s the height I was taught, this helps as well. You posted, “It is however my goal to rehabilitate her to a point where she can use a low back stance.” I too, am actively engaged in rehab activities that are showing real progress. You posted, “One could say you continue to move, however your opponants are all around you.” I can see that he is very quick. Thank you for your time in these responses. Regards, MrE2Me2

47MartialMan- 03-29-2007

I for one do not believe any true/authentic Shaolin monks exits let alone practice and teach martial arts I beleive the guy or any of them presently are hired personel used by Government Propaganda

North- 03-29-2007

I think it's a bit of both. The Chinese government certainly does have it's fingers in Shaolin now. But I also think the training they do is real and has not been diluted. One can go back and find video clips of the same forms from 30-40 years ago, so the monks are training the same kung fu. The fact that roaming bandits are not going to show up at the temple gates and force a fight might have an impact on how fiercely the monks train but I am approaching that with a western way of thinking, odds are I wouldn't be capable of stepping into the mindset of a Shaolin monk. I have and recently read Shi Yan Ming's book on exercising the Shaolin way in 28 days. Some of the ways he describes Kung Fu I found very interesting. He says that we get too caught up in learning how to use Kung Fu to fight and then we cripple our ability to use the art to express ourselves. Kung Fu is not just about combat, it is about artistic expressionism. I am more guilty than most as I have taken the art and literally disected the techniques with purely combat, and conditioning the body for combat as the focus. The problem with this style of training is that when you become secure in your ability to fight you lose a degree of interest in training. When your training is about artistic expressionism you are always working to make it prettier, more fluid, better. Kicks have to be higher and muscles have to be more stretched. High kicks are not practical in a combative setting, but they are almost required if you want to challenge yourself artistically. I am grateful to have had a chance to read the writtings of a real Shaolin Monk and see the world of Kung Fu through his eyes to the extent that the book allows. It has increased my understanding. The same is true for Shi De Yang, Shi De Ci and many other monks who have allowed their knowledge to become available to the public. There is no need to have ties to a mythical Fu Yen any longer. A person can truly learn Shaolin Kung Fu if they want.

MrE2Me2- 03-30-2007

Hello North, You posted, “I have and recently read Shi Yan Ming's book on exercising the Shaolin way in 28 days. Some of the ways he describes Kung Fu I found very interesting. He says that we get too caught up in learning how to use Kung Fu to fight and then we cripple our ability to use the art to express ourselves. Kung Fu is not just about combat, it is about artistic expressionism.” How interesting! I have a student who is going through this particular challenge right now. If it isn’t combatively effective, he has a hard time grasping it. More, I used to have this problem to an extreme degree. It has taken some serious effort on my part to get on with my training. Regards, MrE2Me2

47MartialMan- 03-30-2007

I think it's a bit of both. The Chinese government certainly does have it's fingers in Shaolin now. But I also think the training they do is real and has not been diluted. One can go back and find video clips of the same forms from 30-40 years ago, so the monks are training the same kung fu. The fact that roaming bandits are not going to show up at the temple gates and force a fight might have an impact on how fiercely the monks train but I am approaching that with a western way of thinking, odds are I wouldn't be capable of stepping into the mindset of a Shaolin monk. I have and recently read Shi Yan Ming's book on exercising the Shaolin way in 28 days. Some of the ways he describes Kung Fu I found very interesting. He says that we get too caught up in learning how to use Kung Fu to fight and then we cripple our ability to use the art to express ourselves. Kung Fu is not just about combat, it is about artistic expressionism. I am more guilty than most as I have taken the art and literally disected the techniques with purely combat, and conditioning the body for combat as the focus. The problem with this style of training is that when you become secure in your ability to fight you lose a degree of interest in training. When your training is about artistic expressionism you are always working to make it prettier, more fluid, better. Kicks have to be higher and muscles have to be more stretched. High kicks are not practical in a combative setting, but they are almost required if you want to challenge yourself artistically. I am grateful to have had a chance to read the writtings of a real Shaolin Monk and see the world of Kung Fu through his eyes to the extent that the book allows. It has increased my understanding. The same is true for Shi De Yang, Shi De Ci and many other monks who have allowed their knowledge to become available to the public. There is no need to have ties to a mythical Fu Yen any longer. A person can truly learn Shaolin Kung Fu if they want. It is the same because they are not auithentic and have to be used as refeence to sell. You may have seen the writing of a "real" Shaolin monk....but not a true and authentic one. They are only as "real" as a "Samurai Sword made of stainless steel in the 20-21 Century. They are only as "real" Bowie knif=ves made with Rockwell 440 Steel, made in 20-21 Century. These are "real" in apperance, touch, and existence, but nit reu, authentic.... All are copies set out to make money.... See, that is where anything labeled "Shaolin" is not truely authentic. I was on that "Shaolin Hype Bandwagon", but started to read more and speak to Buddhists. Buddhism is the heart of Shaolin. Any Shaolin monk would teach/practice this before ANY thought or action of martial arts. Articles that I have read that made sense once one goes beyond "denial" It is hard for anyone steadfast in "beliefs" to accept trith and reality....it was hard for me. Shaolin Propaganda Sites http://www.spiritualminds.com/articles.asp?articleid=1886 http://www.spiritualminds.com/articles.asp?articleid=1833 http://10.202.6.30/pub/block.mp?session=060A3946053E344C&url=http://www.exn.ca/Stories/2003/06/09/51.asp http://10.202.6.30/pub/block.mp?session=060A3946053E344C&url=http://www.exn.ca/Stories/2003/06/09/51.asp?t=dp http://www.randi.org/jr/101703.html http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/shaolinulysses/talkback.html http://www.realbeer.com.au/alefiles/beer_writers/charles_coll/article_2004_06_29_0413.php http://russbo.org/vb/showthread.php?p=28572 http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/050502ta_talk_goldwasser http://www.exn.ca/Stories/2003/06/09/51.asp http://10.202.6.30/pub/block.mp?session=060A3946053E344C&url=http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=2452&IssueNum=113 http://10.202.6.30/pub/block.mp?session=060A3946053E344C&url=http://www.taozenchi.com/bcpblog/?p=521 http://forums.randi.org/archive/index.php/t-30931.html http://www.beijingwushuteam.com/articles/shaolintour.html http://www.realtraveladventures.com/November2005/the_monk_from_brooklyn__an_american_at_the_shaolin_temple.htm (Where tourist put $200 in book to learn) http://www.china.org.cn/english/Life/180881.htm http://www.shaolin.com/shaolin_history.aspx http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=b8bd81f8d45fca9cd0197912ef7aa8da http://www.gungfu.com/htm-apparel/other-uniforms/apparel-other-uniforms-kung-fu-gear-shaolin-style-warrior-monk-robes.htm (Robes for sale) "FREE YOU MIND"

North- 03-31-2007

I would think that every generation of Shaolin monks dating back to Da Mo has had its trials and tribulations. What is authentic? I have seen a monk training consumate arts and running up a wall. He sure could run up that wall far! I would only be able to run about 6% the distance he was climbing. He is training in an extreme way but he is also training something that monks have trained for centuries. There is a basement section in Shaolin where they keep records, books and manuscripts of techniques. There is always a monk charged with the duty of maintaining these records and knowledge as well as adding to it based on the temples current "style of the times." At the moment Shi De Yang is in charge of these writtings. He has claimed that he put painstaking diligence into ensuring that the Kung Fu trained today is the same as it was trained 1000 years ago. He always explains the history and age of the forms being trained. These monks didn't just make up a new form of Kung Fu on the spot, they are doing what they have always done. They have some restrictions in place by the governement that other monks didn't have to deal with in previous era's, however they don't have the government sending armies to burn the temple to the ground as previous era's of monks have had to deal with. To say the current monks are not real is not something I would do. There are some great pictures of Shi Yan ming throughout different stages of his life and training in the intro to his book. One has him holding giant urns with his fingeetips while standing on one foot which is supported by a bunch of nails driven into a wood base. The look of pain on his face is very real. I would say some monks have greater or lesser skill than others but that in terms of the Kung Fu they are still authentic shaolin. They train at the same place as previous monks, their lineage is completely verifiable and they even use the same tools and techniques that were used in ancient times as per chronicles tended by Shi De Yang. I would have no doubt that there isn't a single Kung Fu school or location that is more legitimately "Shaolin" than the temple itself. So the real question then becomes: is shaolin Kung Fu actually as good as all the hype? I know only that it is good enough for me. I enjoy it, and it keeps me very healthy. Shaolin has always had to adapt to the times. Right now they are in the 21st century and you need money to exist in this day and age. The temple has a way of making money. They are ensuring their survival. this is not the first time they have done this. History has examples of monks leaving the temple to "sell" kung fu to the public in previous era's, sometimes centuries ago. Where Shaolin is atm is just part of their evolution. If you see a monk pratice a punch and think, "Hey, that punch is at shoulder level and to the side, not centered to the solar plexes! AND his hand is held wrong, he'd sprain his wrist if he punched like that!" THEn you have fallen into the trap of viewing everything purely on it's combative value. Shi Yan Ming states there are 2 types of meditation. Action meditation and no-action meditation. He says we (westerners) believe no-action meditation is the only true path to cultivating Chi and reaping benefit from meditation. He believes we need to change our understanding of meditation and understand that it doesn't matter how you sit, what position your hands are in or if you are even sitting at all! You can meditate while you go for your morning jog. The things he writes make perfect sense to me. I certainly hope anyone who would criticize him would have at least read his work first.

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