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How about a section for General Martial Art or something where discussions of anything besides MOH?

If you scroll down there is a whole section for MA in general... :wink: If people think we should change it up even more I am open to suggestions, however this is a Moh Kempo specific forum so that will always remain it's foundation.

I see. So since it is MOH, a person like me may not have much to offer?

Actually quite the opposite,I (we) would love to hear from practitioners of other styles and share notes & observations on the differences/ similarities on philosophy & style

o.k then, I enjoyed kempo for kwit some time, awesome great hand speed,good understanding of motion,good learning of fun..The question i have is why is gm done with his journey to spread his art?.I know (travel many miles to seek a master).he doesnt like to travel.What he did teach was from a so called temple ?Temple of what? Thanks

Hello 47MartialMan, You posted, “I see. So since it is MOH, a person like me may not have much to offer?” I’d have to agree with Grasshopper here. We all enjoy a good discussion about martial arts. We started off with Moh but we have grown beyond that. I have read on another thread, a bit of your journey. You sound like a seasoned and savvy kind of fellow. Anything you have to say will be looked at a speculated about. It may take a couple of days to get back to you. But it will be an intelligent and thoughtful reply. Remember that for some Moh’s origins may be in doubt. But no serious practitioner doubts the ability of a Moh practitioner. Another serious practitioner (regardless of style) is always welcome. Regards, MrE2Me2 Without prejudice E&OE

Hello Rasta, You asked, “The question i have is why is gm done with his journey to spread his art?” I don’t really have an answer. Quite frankly, he is now almost eighty years old. If you’re interested he can be found here under the nom de plum “Emil Simon”. http://www.junesimon.com/ I’m much more interested in hearing from more active practitioners. And there are a lot of them right on this forum. You also asked, “What he did teach was from a so called temple ?Temple of what?” The name used to be “Simon Kung Fu Studios”. I was a part of the proceedings when the name was changed. Go here if you want to read how it happened. http://templekungforum.14.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?p=61#61 The origins of the art of Moh are in dispute among some. Go here and read the legal transcript to read about Olaf’s beginnings in his own words. (At one time he was involved in legal proceedings and a legal document came out of it.) http://templekungforum.14.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=8 Regards, MrE2Me2 Without prejudice E&OE

Hello 47MartialMan, You posted, “However, MOH being so vast of teachers and good practitioners, a chart will be nice for you guys to see who is who WITHIN your system.” Actually, your idea has merit and it is being actively considered. But it will take some time. Not the least concern is a lot of resistance to the idea from certain forum members. As a quick example of those who were at one time considered to be direct black belts: T. Higgs P. McAndrews L. Bateson (studied under both O. Simon and M. Hilbig) E. Bateson (studied under both O. Simon and M. Hilbig) W. Thomas S. MacLaren E. O’Brien E. Bruneau R. Terlecki (started under P. McAndrews but got his black directly) But even doing this leaves out others B. Leishman K. Fiedler Everyone listed here left under less than auspicious circumstances Please note two things. It has been nearly thirty years since some of the guys mentioned were a part of the organization.. Yet I’m still using only first initials. Some of the guys mentioned are still not on speaking terms Some wounds heal slow and some, not at all. Regards, MrE2Me2 Without prejudice E&OE

It doesnt matter of disension in the ranks or who is pseaking to whom. They have to be listed as part of the continium. What is that "DOH" and stickman beating his head under my handle?

Hello 47MartialMan, We are on the same page here. It is as much a matter of getting all the info and organizing it as it is getting all to agree. By the way, go here if you want to read an interesting bio. http://zenshack.net/martialarts/mohkempo.htm You posted, “It doesnt matter of disension in the ranks or who is pseaking to whom.” I apologize for not being clearer here. It isn’t as much about having a forum, as it is about having forum members. Part of the reason that this forum exists is to bring together different eras of students. Without members, the forum makes no sense. Therefore: With all due respect, it does matter as to who is speaking to whom. But as has been said elsewhere, “You catch more flies with honey than vinegar”. Given time and exposure to new ideas (like this forum) and many things are possible. I believe that we can all cool off and step back a bit. Once that is done, then we can all contribute (more than we are now). You posted, “They have to be listed as part of the continium.” I agree but I’d rather that some of the dissenters come to that realization, on their own. The dissension among members is something that WILL have to be dealt with one way or another. It may even become a case of having to deal with some of it posthumously. In other words, we may have to wait a long time. I’d rather get it done now but I’m going to get it done one way or another. (Nor am I alone in this idea of the chart that you speak of.) You posted, “What is that "DOH" and stickman beating his head under my handle?” After a certain number of posts, your little figure will change. This is part of this forum and we are all subject to it. No disrespect is intended. (Wait until your Dr. Evil, from the Austin Powers movies. :-D ) Regards, MrE2Me2 Without prejudice E&OE

You posted, “It doesnt matter of disension in the ranks or who is pseaking to whom.” I apologize for not being clearer here. It isn’t as much about having a forum, as it is about having forum members. Part of the reason that this forum exists is to bring together different eras of students. Without members, the forum makes no sense. Therefore: With all due respect, it does matter as to who is speaking to whom. But as has been said elsewhere, “You catch more flies with honey than vinegar”. Given time and exposure to new ideas (like this forum) and many things are possible. I believe that we can all cool off and step back a bit. Once that is done, then we can all contribute (more than we are now). I was speaking about the hierarchy/lineage chart and not the forum. *Sometimes flies are better lured to garbage and fecal matter :D

Hello 47MartialMan, You posted, “I was speaking about the hierarchy/lineage chart and not the forum.” No, no, you were clear to begin with. The fault is mine. :-D When I first posted this started this thread, there was a great deal of unhappiness. Various factions actually agreed with each other over the fact that the list was “wrong”. (They may not have agreed on much else but that is my point.) There several people who quit posting because of the list. The hierarchy will probably have a similar effect unless it’s handled with care. You also posted, “*Sometimes flies are better lured to garbage and fecal matter ” Ain’t that the truth…okay, my bad (again). Perhaps another analogy might be better. My wife and I visited her brother last night. He is really into genealogy. At one point in their history, the white people oppressed the Indian people. After about fifty years of this, the Indians rose up and slew nearly all the whites. (One of the few surviving children married into my wife’s family.) The moral of the story (and the analogy) could well be interpreted as this: People respond better to courtesy and strength than to strength alone. Regards, MrE2Me2 Without prejudice E&OE

Then the whites came back and slew the indians A list is just that a list. It doesnt define who has what ability or credentials, rather who has been. Strength and robust always are the things that stand out before courtesy. Eventually, courtesy fades.

Hello 47MartialMan, You posted, “A list is just that a list.” While I agree in theory, the reality is that I want all forum members to post here. I also want everyone from all the eras of Moh for the past 40 some years to read. Not all feel that a list is just that…there is sometimes a tendency to make more out of it. You also posted, “It doesnt define who has what ability or credentials, rather who has been.” I concur fully. You posted, “Strength and robust always are the things that stand out before courtesy.” Precisely…therefore, strength and robust must be directed and harnessed. Otherwise, they are misdirected (at best) or misused (at worst). You posted, “Eventually, courtesy fades.” Again, we are on the same page here. I simply put a great deal of emphasis on courtesy in training and posting. (And judging by your posts, so do you.) :-D Regards, MrE2Me2