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47MartialMan- 04-30-2008
A Forlorn Situation
A Forlorn Situation Yesterday, I and a cohort were discussing martial arts. I rarely discuss martial arts at the work place, from past experiences, opinions are strong and like politics, emotions can incite many arguments. However, with speaking in terms of fighting, these arguments can become physical. Anyway, this colleague told me of a man he came across, whom had practiced “Iron Shirt Kung Fu”, and was real good at it. Ever the skeptic and curious, I had asked him; “How can you tell if he is good?” He had said “Because he allowed me to punch him as hard as I could in his abs/stomach”. He had noticed my visage expression as he had also said “Honest – this guy took my best shot as hard as I could”. I had inquired, per a demonstration, on how his strike was done. Looking upon it, I gave comment on how his strike lacked power that he could have used. I had also known that he had studied Shotokan for a few years. His demonstration of his strike / punch did not include such manner of power that should have been generated. I guess he did not want to hear any more of my comments, as he had invited me to go with him and visit this “Iron Shirt Kung Fu Master”. I was reluctant to go with him to the “Iron Shirt Kung Fu Master”, but because he wanted to actually study and sign up, I went. Arriving there after work, I took observation of many things. The name of his school, per style read Shaolin _____ Ryu, and with it, he had a design of the Yin / Yang. This is odd because he had mixed a Chinese term with an Okinawa/Japanese one. And the yin/yang symbol is a Taoist one, which is not Shaolin, of Buddhist influence. (Which the symbol for many of those sects was the swastika - but other Indian sects had used it also) He also had a Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, and Ninja poster, all framed and neatly hung. He had mixed Chinese terms with Korean and Japanese, and incorrectly aligned their meanings I guess in an attempt to demonstrate lingual ability and perhaps more martial art knowledge. After my observations and brief discussion on other martial art subjects, my cohort suggested that he allow me to strike / punch. I was pendulous, but after their persistence, along with my desire of scrutiny, I agreed. The “Iron Shirt Kung Fu Master” gave me instructions, and after his “preparation”, I was only allowed to strike the torso of the chest and stomach area(s). After be given the instruction to strike, I had delivered a vertical punch, with my right hand, to his chest, where his sternum met the stomach. He discharged a huge breath of air, and then collapsed in agony to the floor. He was gasping for air in the likeness of a fish out of water. I gave him instructions on how to regain his composure. After his recovery, he and my colleague stated that I had performed my strike incorrectly. That the situation “wasn’t supposed to happen that way”. I was also informed, that I “struck too hard”. Other comments were; “I was far better trained”, and “my Chi had cause my strike to overcome his focus”. Given the fact, that I used my right hand, which is not as strong as my left hand. That I did not use my total power force, as I did not apply my waist/hips/and other body momentum. Given that all I had done was from a relaxed stance, extended my arm/fist to the target. Hmmnnn….. After all of this, my cohort, in a surreptitious manner, had still signed up and started to study from this “Iron Shirt Kung Fu Master”. Any thoughts?

MrE2Me2- 05-01-2008

Hello 47MartialMan, Your story reminds me of that silly skit with Jim Carry. He plays an arrogant karate teacher. He is teaching a bunch of women self defence. Pretty much the same thing happens. But in the skit, it's funny, in real life, it isn't. What is that old saying? "None so blind as those who will not see." Regards, MrE2Me2

47MartialMan- 05-01-2008

I've been a martial artist for so long, many og the myths and such have came to "light" over those decades. It is hard for me to believe that these are still being carried on by charletains. Shame; "Fool me once - shame on me" "Fool me twice - shame on me"

DaveS- 05-22-2008
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Hi, Why is this a forlorn situation? Why are these people "charletons"? The club described sounds a lot like TKF, mixing Chinese and Japenese terms. Moh Kempo trains these "iron shirt" techinques. What is your point of this post? You've provided one situation and presented this club in a very negative light and appear to be trying to create a very negative perception of this club. Post a link to the club site so we can form an opinion of our own. BTW, what do you train now?

47MartialMan- 05-22-2008

Well, Ive been around the block in order to know such. BTW-MrE2Me2 I love my avatar, is there anyway I can get a copy?

grasshopper- 05-28-2008

Hey Martian Man I got most of the avatars on the forum from this website: http://avatars.jurko.net/ You should find it there. I love that one too. I agree with MrE2ME2 about your story. Funny as fiction, not so much in reality TKF taught iron breathing to help develop the concept of iron jacket, but no TKF teacher ever suggested they personally could withstand a full force punch to the solar plexis or kick to the groin using this technique. Unless they were a total jackass. I don't doubt there may be a rare few individual MA's out there who could withstand that sort of attack. But it would take the most severe mind control or pain tolerance that anyone claiming this ability should be met with a degree of skepticism. In my opinion. I saw these guys on TV once that claimed to be able to withstand the kick to the groin by using IRON BREATHING. These guys roll their pelvis forward with the breathing technique so a full force lifting kick connecting directly under the pelvis does not actually connect with the Prince's Jewels. Let's see another MA NOT from the studio audience give these guys a shot in the berries and see how they do. I myself would do a rising kick with my shin into their groin at 45 degrees or so, let's see whose standing after that.

TKF_PHS- 07-04-2008

Was this instructor also a Master of Moh. This mixing on lineage and terminology happened all the time at TKF? What's so different about this guy? What would you say if you walked into a school and the "Master" called himself the Dalai Seng Shi, Silver Sash holder etc and tried pressure you into joining? Then you were not allowed to watch the students train and was being fed a bunch of garbage from a script? What would you say about that type of school?

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